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Rembrandt said 1 month ago

Ajee Wilson tests positive

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    SteveWeiler said 1 month ago

    Quoting: Athletics Illustrated
    "Added the word "apparently" because cannot find it as banned, but she was punished for having it in her system. So the leap was premature..."


    I found it in about 2 minutes. Using the 2nd paragraph of the USADA article linked from the OP for key words:
    "Wilson, 23, provided a urine sample on February 11, 2017, at the NYRR Millrose Games in New York, NY. Her sample tested positive for zeranol. Zeranol is an Anabolic Agent prohibited at all times under the USADA Protocol for Olympic and Paralympic Movement Testing, the United States Olympic Committee National Anti-Doping Policies, and the International Association of Athletics Federations, all of which have adopted the World Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Agency Prohibited List."

    1) google 'World Anti-Doping Agency Prohibited List'
    2) click the first link: https://www.wada-ama.org/en/prohibited-list
    3) click 'Prohibited at all times'
    4) S1 Anabolic Agents
    5) scroll down to 2. Other Anabolic Agents
    6) Zeranol is listed

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    Anonymous said 1 month ago

    Quoting: Obvious
    "That's not true.

    See rule 163.4."


    In part - 163.4 states that an athlete will not be DQ'd if pushed or forced out, but will be DQ'd if the step was accidental unless it is obvious that no material advantage was gained AND no other athlete was interfered with in the process.

    So while it's true that you shouldn't get DQ'd for being pushed, it's not always easy to determine fault (being pushed implies that it's not your fault). If someone obviously shoves you out of the blue, then sure, but a lot of the time pushing results from tactical mistakes that the pushee made (cutting in too early, trying to pass on the inside, erratic behaviour etc.). See the Robby Andrews Rio DQ.

    It's also sometimes difficult to determine if a material advantage occurred. A good example of this is the Kemboi Rio DQ. Even though this likely made no difference as he was so far ahead of 4th, he was still DQ'd because the officials decided that it wasn't absolutely certain that there was no advantage.

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    Rembrandt said 1 month ago

    Oldstar - you are the most black and white antidoping crusader here and you haven't commented yet.

    I read this today and thought of your posting history here. https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/padq5y/the-five-buck-bump-of-cocaine-that-destroyed-an-olympic-dream

    Specifically:

    "For every prospective Olympic athlete who tests positive and then gets another opportunity to compete at an elite level, there are people like Thompson who never make it back to the heights of their sport. They're branded cheaters by the black-and-white anti-doping authorities who push binary rhetoric despite a rulebook filled with gray areas."

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    Oldster said 1 month ago

    Quoting: Rembrandt
    "Oldstar - you are the most black and white antidoping crusader here and you haven't commented yet.


    Examples?

    The only time I've ever taken a position is re: cases of convicted dopers who have had full access to an appeals process. Specifically, I have spoken out against convicted dopers who want to continue to be involved in the sport. In no case was there any ambiguity re: the guilt involved.

    Like any reasonable person, I'm of the view than anyone who tests positive should be allowed access to due process. I'm fully aware the false and/or inadvertent positives are quite possible (a case study of which is the Diane Modahl affair from many years ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Modahl).

    BTW, how many new/different anonymous accounts is this for you? Three? Four?

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    Anonymous said 1 month ago

    If Ajee was russian she would have a 2 year ban.
    In other news, Russian has recently become the number 1 importer of North American beef...

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    Obvious said 1 month ago

    Quoting: Anonymous
    "In part - 163.4 states that an athlete will not be DQ'd if pushed or forced out, but will be DQ'd if the step was accidental unless it is obvious that no material advantage was gained AND no other athlete was interfered with in the process.

    So while it's true that you shouldn't get DQ'd for being pushed, it's not always easy to determine fault (being pushed implies that it's not your fault). If someone obviously shoves you out of the blue, then sure, but a lot of the time pushing results from tactical mistakes that the pushee made (cutting in too early, trying to pass on the inside, erratic behaviour etc.). See the Robby Andrews Rio DQ.

    It's also sometimes difficult to determine if a material advantage occurred. A good example of this is the Kemboi Rio DQ. Even though this likely made no difference as he was so far ahead of 4th, he was still DQ'd because the officials decided that it wasn't absolutely certain that there was no advantage."


    I'm not clear on what argument you are trying to make here.

    Andrews was DQ'd because he tried to pass on the inside, where there was not space to do so and ended up coming into contact with another runner and getting knocked over the rail.

    As the trailing runner, he did not have claim to that sliver of space and therefore was trying to gain an advantage and was the cause of the contact.

    This can clearly be seen in the slow motion video in Webb's linked tweet:
    http://highschoolsports.nj.com/news/article/8821253439214589942/rio-2016-appeal-to-overturn-robby-andrews-dq-has-been-denied-per-report/

    Kemboi was DQ'd because he stepped over the inside curve line coming off the water jump. Scenario is somewhat similar in that he was trying to squeeze into an inside space that was not big enough to accommodate him. By stepping over the line on the curve he did run a fraction shorter distance and therefore gained an advantage (regardless of whether that advantage had an impact on the outcome of the race).

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