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McGill Team Challenge Men's 3000m H3
Posted 5 years ago by Trackie | Source: Trackie Group Inc.
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Anonymous
Posts: 57354Anonymous said 5 years ago
Dalhousie had no business being in lane 3 in the last 50 of the 3k, clearly trying to cut the Toronto runner off. Classless
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Anonymous
Posts: 57354Anonymous said 5 years ago
Disagree. Swinging wide is a legal tactic - see every 1500m ever at the olympics. The U of T coach should be fired for their disgraceful behaviour afterwards. That was the classless part.
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Anonymous
Posts: 57354Anonymous said 5 years ago
https://www.trackie.com/track-and-field/TrackieTV/full-oua-championships-mens-600m/7052/
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It's a tactic., it's been done before. Classless by the Toronto runner to shove him. -
Anonymous
Posts: 57354Dal DQ said 5 years ago
Quoting: Anonymous
"Disagree. Swinging wide is a legal tactic - see every 1500m ever at the olympics. The U of T coach should be fired for their disgraceful behaviour afterwards. That was the classless part."
Swinging wide is NOT a legal tactic when you impede another runner which is what the Dalhousie runner appeared to be doing. Quote comment -
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Anonymous
Posts: 57354Anonymous said 5 years ago
Quoting: Anonymous
"https://www.trackie.com/track-and-field/TrackieTV/full-oua-championships-mens-600m/7052/
It's a tactic., it's been done before. Classless by the Toronto runner to shove him."
Read the comments on the video you linked. The general consensus was that Land swinging wide was classless. Similar to this race, except the Dalhousie guy was significantly more obtrusive than Land was in that race. Quote comment -
Anonymous
Posts: 57354Anonymous said 5 years ago
Quoting: Dal DQ
"Swinging wide is NOT a legal tactic when you impede another runner which is what the Dalhousie runner appeared to be doing."
Proof in the form of the official rules or get out. Quote comment -
Anonymous
Posts: 57354Anonymous said 5 years ago
Quoting: Anonymous
"Read the comments on the video you linked. The general consensus was that Land swinging wide was classless. Similar to this race, except the Dalhousie guy was significantly more obtrusive than Land was in that race."
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Anonymous
Posts: 57354You get out said 5 years ago
Quoting: Anonymous
"Proof in the form of the official rules or get out."
He was disqualified because of rule 163.2 b (see the results). This rule states “if another athlete is found by the Referee to be responsible for the jostling or obstruction, such athlete (or his team) shall be liable to disqualification from that event.”. Quote comment -
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Posts: 57354Shinnok said 5 years ago
Clearly that Dalhousie runner is pure trash, race with respect fam. This wasn't even a championship meet so I don't why this mans trying to secure a W that means nothing.
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Posts: 57354Anonymous said 5 years ago
People get cut off in the pros all the time... What the Toronto guy did was straight illegal
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Anonymous
Posts: 57354Anonymous said 5 years ago
Adam Tait would have had none of this. If Adam was in the position of the Toronto guy, he would have done a 360 double yy noscope and the dal guy would've got murked. Instead of having a stupid thread taking about which athlete is in the wrong, we would be mourning the loss of the dal runners dignity.
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Posts: 57354Anonymous said 5 years ago
Quoting: You get out
"He was disqualified because of rule 163.2 b (see the results). This rule states “if another athlete is found by the Referee to be responsible for the jostling or obstruction, such athlete (or his team) shall be liable to disqualification from that event.”."
Watching the video, clearly the cause of the fall was the U of T athlete pushing from behind. Quote comment -
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Posts: 57354Anonymous said 5 years ago
Whether illegal or not, it was a classless move by the Dalhousie athlete, especially in a H3 where placement is irrelevant and everyone was trying to run PBs. Good for the UofT athlete throwing a right hook. Should have thrown another one after the race!
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Anonymous
Posts: 57354Anonymous said 5 years ago
Not only was the Dal runner obstructing the Toronto runner by swinging wide, but he threw out an arm as well. He's lucky that the Toronto runner didn't throw a punch after - he had reason enough to be mad.
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Posts: 57354anonymous said 5 years ago
Watch the video carefully. U of T makes contact with the Dal runner before the cone at the long jump pit. Then past the cone shoves the Dal runner. Officials should have asked the long jump official what he saw.
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Anonymous
Posts: 57354Anonymous said 5 years ago
Contact is made, but who's to blame? Dal runner started moving wide on the turn. Dal runner should've run faster or conceded defeat. Using these tactics out of the slow heat at a meaningless university race are absolutely classless.
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"Watch the video carefully. U of T makes contact with the Dal runner before the cone at the long jump pit. Then past the cone shoves the Dal runner. Officials should have asked the long jump official what he saw." -
Anonymous
Posts: 57354Anonymous said 5 years ago
Haha clocks the guy. Fighting over the slow heat. Jesus boys... come on
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Posts: 20StoneColdSteveJones said 5 years ago
IF THAT JABRONI WOULD HAVE HAD THE STONES TO TRY AND IMPEDE ME ON THE LAST CORNER I WOULDN'T HAVE JUST GIVEN HIM A LITTLE PUSH. YOU'D BETTER BELIEVE THAT OLD STONE COLD WOULD'VE BEEN HANDING OUT STUNNERS LIKE IT WAS 1998...BUT THAT COULD ALSO BE THE REASON WHY YOU HAVEN'T SEEN STONE COLD ON AN INDOOR TRACK FOR A LITTLE WHILE...THE RACING CAN GET MESSY AND CRAP HAPPENS...YOU LIVE, YOU LEARN...AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE, CAUSE STONE COLD SAYS SO.
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Anonymous
Posts: 57354Chef Troll said 5 years ago
Hope this "popularity" he's receiving from his punch doesn't feed his ego... rumour has it it's already so big that he seriously contemplate challenging McGregor
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Anonymous
Posts: 57354Anonymous said 5 years ago
Nick Willis weighs in: https://twitter.com/GraemeWach/status/957289122908995586
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Anonymous
Posts: 57354Anonymous said 5 years ago
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"Nick Willis weighs in: https://twitter.com/GraemeWach/status/957289122908995586"
OMG that is amazing.... Quote comment -
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Posts: 279Master2B said 5 years ago
From the video you can see Ross and Jill from UofT standing just past the finish line. Ross starts walking towards the Dal guy.
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Posts: 50Ape said 5 years ago
I have done some form of this once or twice. Got DQ'd for it once. It's a move of desperation and its not quality racing but I also have a rule that I don't judge myself or others too harshly for mid race behaviour. This is he equivalent of stopping the puck from going in with your hands. It's almost a knee jerk response to getting passed at the line
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Posts: 1johnhungus said 5 years ago
I was talking to my good buddy Todd Bertuzzi last week and I forgot he mentioned he had a son on the Toronto Track team! Great recruiting by Toronto, they really needed that 4th line goon in the slow heats to give the team some momentum in the chase to a championship! Just like his father!! Hell of a hook!!
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Anonymous
Posts: 57354Anonymous said 5 years ago
Why do we feel the need to argue about who is to blame here?
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The Dalhousie runner shouldn’t have swung out wide, he got the DQ for it.
The Toronto runner shouldn’t have pushed/punched or whatever the Dalhousie runner after he cut him off.
Both probably realize they’re actions weren’t great and are moving on with it. Why can’t everyone else? -
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Posts: 1447Buddy said 5 years ago
please don't call that a punch!
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Posts: 57354Anonymous said 5 years ago
Clearly the U of T guy pushed the Dalhousie guy regardless of the wide swing, he should’ve kept moving out. Everyone’s hating on the Dalhousie guy but the U of T runner is just as, if not worse than the Dalhousie guy. Also for the poor sportsman like after, the dal guy obviously was trying to help him up not push him down. Watch the video closely don’t just assume.
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Anonymous
Posts: 57354Anonymous said 5 years ago
Quoting: Anonymous
"Clearly the U of T guy pushed the Dalhousie guy regardless of the wide swing, he should’ve kept moving out. Everyone’s hating on the Dalhousie guy but the U of T runner is just as, if not worse than the Dalhousie guy. Also for the poor sportsman like after, the dal guy obviously was trying to help him up not push him down. Watch the video closely don’t just assume."
You watch it closely. Definitely not helping him up bud. Quote comment -
Anonymous
Posts: 57354Anonymous said 5 years ago
Quoting: Buddy
"please don't call that a punch!"
Fine, a hard and high velocity push with a closed fist.This post was edited by a Moderator [Issues] 5 years ago .Quote comment -
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Posts: 1447Buddy said 5 years ago
He probably hurt his hand!
This is what happens when parents bring their kids to track clubs before any contact sport.
The guys who took checking out of atom hockey were previous varsity track stars :(
"hard and high velocity" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Anonymous
Posts: 57354Anonymous said 5 years ago
thats some real tommy land stuff right there
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Anonymous
Posts: 57354Anonymous said 5 years ago
seems as though they are listening to Nike and their 'play less nice' 'winning is everything' themes
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Anonymous
Posts: 57354Anonymous said 5 years ago
Best part is, the Dalhousie guy pushed himself off of the back of the UofT guy as he got up. He got what he deserved.
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Posts: 847NC Blogger said 5 years ago
Quoting: Anonymous
"the dal guy obviously was trying to help him up not push him down. Watch the video closely don’t just assume."
I assume you mean the two hands, pushing down on Sam's shoulders (0:16-0:17). Not sure how you help someone "up" when you are pushing them down. Btw, both runners have names and Sam and Graeme are much quicker options that UofT guy / Dalhousie guy.
Sam had a few of options here:
1) Run him over (see video)
2) Keep going wider (end up running into the fourth section guys)
3) Break stride and concede defeat - lose a little time, but still may run an ok time
There is only 1 option above that would apply to someone in a COMPETITIVE situation. If someone tries to deliberately cut you off, you hold your ground (option 1 above). In some cases, it's just an arm and you can run through it (a la Kevin Tree and Taylor Forbes, running through Dulhanty's toothpick road block, which resulted in a DQ).
The right call was made, both boys lost (im guessing 5 - 6 seconds) and hopefully learn something from the situation. Quote comment -
Anonymous
Posts: 57354Anonymous said 5 years ago
not the first time a dal runner has turned dirty in the closing meters...
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Posts: 57354My Two Cents said 5 years ago
I dont think I have anything wrong with the tactic of swinging wide on the finishing straight. As long as its done safely. If you have someone 2 strides back (and are conscious of where your opponents are) and you start to push wide to force a move even wider, thats arguably smart racing. However, the important part here is "SAFELY". If this is done in a "desperation move" where it is a jerk step to the right because the person is pretty much beside you or on your shoulder.....well that's just poor sportsmanship. Take the loss or dig deeper for the win. Additionally, some could argue that by drifting out, you're actually lengthening your own race so its a dumb move altogether but I think in this case its very easily pegged on the front runner for the illegal move.
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Posts: 57354Anonymous said 5 years ago
Quoting: My Two Cents
"I dont think I have anything wrong with the tactic of swinging wide on the finishing straight. As long as its done safely. If you have someone 2 strides back (and are conscious of where your opponents are) and you start to push wide to force a move even wider, thats arguably smart racing. "
If someone is 2 strides back and you swing wide, all you are doing is opening the door for them to carry on their natural line right up the inside.
Starting to swing wide when there is already stride overlap (as can be seen in the above video as Sam is already overlapping half way through the turn) means you are obstructing your competitor's progress.
If you are moving out completely to lane 2 (as Graeme is by the time they enter the straight), then it is clearly obstruction as per the letter of the IAAF rule (doesn't help Graeme's case that he actually looks over at Sam as he attempts to block him).
Looking at it through a fairness lens and the concept that races are fundamentally to determine who is faster, deviating from your natural line to impede the progress of a competitor's natural line is obstruction by definition and that is not fair to your competitor, hence the DQ. Quote comment -
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Posts: 101petesakes said 5 years ago
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"Why are people still wasting their breath on this debate?"
In a word...Education. There are obviously several high school and college runners who read these forums. It's important to educate them on what is acceptable behaviour on the track so they don't repeat what we just witnessed. No one benefits from collisions and DQ's. Hopefully, neither of the guys is injured as a result.
I also hope this doesn't place a black mark of the DQed runner. How you placed, or what your time was in a race, is only part of how you'll remember a race down the road. You'll also remember the friendships you developed, not only with your teammates, but also with fellow competitors. Distance runners often warm down with competitors they get to know, and sometimes develop good friendships with them based on mutual respect. It's not worth jeopardizing all that by obstructing your fellow competitors. It's poor sportsmanship.
Someone said this could just be a knee-jerk reaction, and that's true. This is exactly why coaches and athletes should discuss it, so when the situation arises, you've actually thought about when, why and how to run wide appropriately.This post was edited by petesakes 5 years ago .Quote comment
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