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Buddy said 9 months ago

800m Night and 1500m Night meets same day?

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    Anonymous said 8 months ago

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    "Agreed.

    But we don't know what AO had communicated to Steve or UTTC with regards to those scheduling issues.

    It's not clear from Bob's answer why 800m night could not have been a standalone event like past years (when it could have been scheduled several days apart on either side of 1500m night to server as a better compliment).

    Maybe there were no available stadium dates."


    Obvious did you know that the head of AO is a UTTC coach?

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    Track West founder said 8 months ago

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    "Obvious did you know that the head of AO is a UTTC coach?"


    Many people are saying that they don't know what was communicated between Steve and UTTC, and AO to Steve or UTTC. Then why speculate?

    To even comment on the fact that Paul Osland (Head of AO) is a UTTC coach (actually a coach of the UTTC Masters) has a hint of innuendo. So what!

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    Anonymous said 8 months ago

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    "Obvious did you know that the head of AO is a UTTC coach?"


    Really? How did this not come up earlier in the thread, not even mentioned during any of the different analogies.

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    Good news said 8 months ago

    Looks like there is a meet June 22-23 at varsity stadium in Toronto that could easily allow for 800m festival to take place on either evening as the schedule of events finishes around 3pm each day.

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    Anonymous said 8 months ago

    I think UTTC masters is the same club as UTTC.

    Track West Founder are you going to retract your post in reply 34 or do you think reply 2 was lying?

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    Ottawa valley said 8 months ago

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    "Looks like there is a meet June 22-23 at varsity stadium in Toronto that could easily allow for 800m festival to take place on either evening as the schedule of events finishes around 3pm each day."


    The 800m meet wasn't hosted last year by UTTC, just Phoenix and Harbour. Gosh there's a lot of Ontario groups copying the 1500m Night concept. Anyway the UTTC meet was previously on a weekday; for the very first year moving to a weekend the June 22-23 dates make a lot of sense. I hope UTTC supports other meets as Bwest claims they do and moves to June 22 or 23, unless that was just posturing and trying to stifle the conversation.

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    Anonymous said 7 months ago



    There was talk earlier in this thread about the intent or spirit of the policies vs the specific rules. Some people only cared about the latter which state that you need 4 clear days between hosting 800-3000 and those events being hosted at the provincial championships.

    The AO champs are July 12-14 in Toronto, with 1500m on July 13 and 800m on July 14.

    On Tuesday, July 16, UTTC is hosting a meet in Toronto with 800 and 1500. According to the sanctioning guidelines, these events are too close to AO Champs and shouldn't be sanctioned. This looks particularly bad as it's in the same city!!

    On Wednesday, July 17, UWAC is hosting a meet in Windsor with 800 and 1500. According to the sanctioning guidelines, these events are too close to AO Champs and shouldn't be sanctioned.

    On Wednesday, July 17 Speed River is hosting a meet in Guelph with 800 and 1500....

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    Anonymous said 7 months ago

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    "And in 2020 will we see a 1500 hosted the same day in Guelph and Hamilton, along with Toronto and the London 1500m Night or should AO eventually do something to prevent that as their sanctioning preamble suggests. Well, probably not Hamilton because some groups like London Runner and Harbour Track work together."


    Apparently we are basically going to see a version of this in July 2019 in a letter-of-the-rules breach to use wording from another poster. UTTC and Speed River involved is no surprise.

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    Anonymous said 7 months ago

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    "There was talk earlier in this thread about the intent or spirit of the policies vs the specific rules. Some people only cared about the latter which state that you need 4 clear days between hosting 800-3000 and those events being hosted at the provincial championships.

    The AO champs are July 12-14 in Toronto, with 1500m on July 13 and 800m on July 14.

    On Tuesday, July 16, UTTC is hosting a meet in Toronto with 800 and 1500. According to the sanctioning guidelines, these events are too close to AO Champs and shouldn't be sanctioned. This looks particularly bad as it's in the same city!!

    On Wednesday, July 17, UWAC is hosting a meet in Windsor with 800 and 1500. According to the sanctioning guidelines, these events are too close to AO Champs and shouldn't be sanctioned.

    On Wednesday, July 17 Speed River is hosting a meet in Guelph with 800 and 1500...."


    I suspect it is in place to protect the provincial championships and increase the likelihood that the athletes will choose to participate in the Provincial Championships rather than a club sponsored meet.

    You refer to "guidelines" if they are indeed guidelines by definition of the term it means "how something should be done" . This is different than "how something must be done".

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    Anonymous said 7 months ago

    No talk on the legion meet and AO's being on the same weekend?

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    SteveWeiler said 7 months ago

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    "I suspect it is in place to protect the provincial championships and increase the likelihood that the athletes will choose to participate in the Provincial Championships rather than a club sponsored meet.

    You refer to "guidelines" if they are indeed guidelines by definition of the term it means "how something should be done" . This is different than "how something must be done"."


    I received the following email from AO the first year these sanctioning guidelines were enacted.

    "Hi Steve,

    I just realized that some of your events in the June 11 meet cannot be sanctioned according to our conflict rules.

    I've attached the document that explains which events are permitted within a certain time before and after championships, trials, etc. The 1500 and 3000m Steeplechase need 4 clear days before the National Qualifer meet on June 14-15. The 5000m needs 6 days.
    All of these events are offered to Juniors and Seniors at the National Qualifier meet on June 14-15.

    You can appeal but you have to have compelling reasons (tradition, etc.) for the request."

    The email clearly identified the policy as a can or cannot binary, not just loose guidelines. I successfully appealed, based primarily on the late and poor communication of the policy that particular year, having precedent on my side.

    Since that year, I believe I have consistently followed the AO policies and I know that Paula Schnurr in Hamilton respects them as well, as we annually communicate/collaborate on meets. Over the years, I have repeatedly asked AO staff to either update/improve the policy for future years or enforce it as is. Notably written several weeks before I found out about the events to be contested in Toronto on June 15-16, I sent a long email to Randolph (Technical) and Paul (CEO) which included the following:

    "My intention here is not to ask AO to withhold sanctioning from events that you otherwise believe should be sanctioned; this is why I used a past example that is highly unlikely to occur in 2019, given the impact on the other meet. My intention is to encourage you to consider whether the AO sanction policies and their application by AO staff can better align with the stated goals in the preamble and, further, to request AO take action to support 1,500m Night."

    Again, this was long before I found out the 800 fest would take place in 2019. My request for support was as a collaborative effort comparable to BC Athletics supporting the Pacific Distance Carnival.

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    Anonymous said 7 months ago

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    "No talk on the legion meet and AO's being on the same weekend?"


    They are for different age groups, so it works fine.

    If the UTTC, Speed River, and UWAC meets held soon after the AO U20/Open Champs offered the mentioned 8 and 15 exclusively for U18 athletes, that would also work fine with the sanction policy.

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    Anonymous said 7 months ago

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    "They are for different age groups, so it works fine.
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    Maybe check the schedule before declaring that, they both are holding U16 combined events, which is a bit of a conflict. And do you honestly think that no top U18 athletes compete in the U20 events?

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    Anonymous said 7 months ago

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    "They are for different age groups, so it works fine.

    If the UTTC, Speed River, and UWAC meets held soon after the AO U20/Open Champs offered the mentioned 8 and 15 exclusively for U18 athletes, that would also work fine with the sanction policy."


    But how many of those kids at legions this weekend would be able to be competitive (top 8) at ao's?

    It'll be worth comparing the results to one another (where applicable)..

    We're dispersing depth when we really shouldn't be.

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