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Cummings said 3 weeks ago

AC XC Abbotsford

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    Anonymous said 1 week ago

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    "Quoting: Anonymous
    "The Ontario High-School XC Championships basically"
    mmmmm... yeah. Not ringing any bells."


    I hope your joking...

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    Anonymous said 1 week ago

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    "Quoting: Anonymous
    mmmmm... yeah. Not ringing any bells."

    It's basically the olympics, you don't understand until you have a sweater (preferably 4) for yourself...

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    Anonymous said 1 week ago

    Where in the 2k loop is the ascent and descent for the hill?

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    Handhills Harrier said 1 week ago

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    "This guy gets it. An Alberta course for ACXC would be unreal. Other good options would be Canmore Park in Calgary or Gold Bar Park in Edmonton. I hear Grande Prairie had a sick course for CCAA's this year!"


    Goldbar would not be viable at the end of November. It's tracked for xc skiing. Hawrelak or Kinsmen Park and the old GB xc course would be perfect options.

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    Cummings said 1 week ago

    Actually laughing out loud over the OFSAA/Stewart Cup exchange...and I am still unsure whether it's genuine or next level trolls...

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    Anonymous said 1 week ago

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    "It's basically the olympics, you don't understand until you have a sweater (preferably 4) for yourself..."

    I hear you can get those for pretty cheap and running room summer sidewalk sales

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    8isenough said 1 week ago

    BRAH
    you need 4 sweaters and 4 jackets
    8 in total or you'll end up at Ryerson :(




    Quoting: Anonymous
    "It's basically the olympics, you don't understand until you have a sweater (preferably 4) for yourself..."

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    Anonymous said 1 week ago

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    "I hear you can get those for pretty cheap and running room summer sidewalk sales"


    Not anymore, Nike pushed out the Canadian retailer to go direct to consumer, fitting of Nike’s character - cutthroat.

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    Cummings said 1 week ago

    Is this correct that U16 boys and girls are running in the same race? That's a bit weird if that is the case...

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    Anonymous said 1 week ago

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    "Is this correct that U16 boys and girls are running in the same race? That's a bit weird if that is the case..."


    Yes it's true. They are doing it due to the little amount of people registered for those 2 races. I'm actually competing in that race and I don't think it's that weird. Would u rather 2 races of about 50 people or one big race with over 100 people? It also bumps up the schedule by about 30 mins which is always good.

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    Anonymous said 6 days ago

    Rumour has it there is a hay bale to run and jump over on the course??? Can anyone who ran there today confirm?

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    FFTF said 4 days ago

    What happened to FFTF specialist Rob Watson?

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    Anonymous said 4 days ago

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    "Rumour has it there is a hay bale to run and jump over on the course??? Can anyone who ran there today confirm?"


    There were 5 hay bales in a row that everyone had to jump over. They were only like a foot and a half tall and they were pretty fun!

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    Kurt Ebeling said 2 days ago

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    Ok, so you can run a championship race under those conditions. But why would you choose to when you have a better alternatives (e.g. the Lower Mainland). Given that AC is choosing teams from Nat XCs to compete in international meets under more "normal" conditions, why would you choose to have your trials on the frozen tundra?

    Given that XC in AB in Nov is so difficult, I think that AC should rotate its other nats (Road Running, Indoors, and Outdoors) onto the Prairies more than it has. (Again, see #1.)"


    You make a fair point about weather, but Ontario/Quebec could be also hit by a massive snowstorm and cold snap, although less likely than the Prairies. It could pour near-freezing rain in the Fraser Valley.

    That's the beauty of XC, there's no knowing how the weather will turn. It's supposed to be hard.

    I remember racing in St. John's for CIS Champs and having to deal with 100km/h winds. No one complained. I think many athletes would welcome the challenge. It would also draw more interest from otherwise casual fans seeing us compete under more non-traditional weather conditions.

    The goal shouldn't be to copycat the U.S. racing on a flat, perfectly manicured golf course in temperate southern U.S.

    Also, for the record, two of the toughest IAAF XC Champs were held in Denmark this past year and in Poland (which got dumped on with snow).

    So preparing them for flat, normal conditions is actually counterproductive if the IAAF Champs ends up being in extreme conditions (even extreme heat although that's not feasible in Canada in November).

    The goal of XC isn't to run the fastest time. That's what track and road races are meant for. Time is a moot point in XC.

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    Mr. Stewart Cup said 2 days ago

    Quoting: Kurt Ebeling
    "You make a fair point about weather, but Ontario/Quebec could be also hit by a massive snowstorm and cold snap, although less likely than the Prairies. It could pour near-freezing rain in the Fraser Valley.

    That's the beauty of XC, there's no knowing how the weather will turn. It's supposed to be hard.

    I remember racing in St. John's for CIS Champs and having to deal with 100km/h winds. No one complained. I think many athletes would welcome the challenge. It would also draw more interest from otherwise casual fans seeing us compete under more non-traditional weather conditions.

    The goal shouldn't be to copycat the U.S. racing on a flat, perfectly manicured golf course in temperate southern U.S.

    Also, for the record, two of the toughest IAAF XC Champs were held in Denmark this past year and in Poland (which got dumped on with snow).

    So preparing them for flat, normal conditions is actually counterproductive if the IAAF Champs ends up being in extreme conditions (even extreme heat although that's not feasible in Canada in November).

    The goal of XC isn't to run the fastest time. That's what track and road races are meant for. Time is a moot point in XC."


    This guy gets it.

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    Bi$$ said 2 days ago

    Quoting: Kurt Ebeling
    "You make a fair point about weather, but Ontario/Quebec could be also hit by a massive snowstorm and cold snap, although less likely than the Prairies. It could pour near-freezing rain in the Fraser Valley.
    . ...

    The goal shouldn't be to copycat the U.S. racing on a flat, perfectly manicured golf course in temperate southern U.S.
    ....

    The goal of XC isn't to run the fastest time. That's what track and road races are meant for. Time is a moot point in XC."
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    I think that we agree more than we disagree. An xc race shouldn't be a road-race-on-grass, but then again, neither should it be an extreme, trail race.

    This year's course in Abbotsford was a bit tame for my taste, but it was very spectator friendly.

    The goal of a Championship Trial should be to select athletes who will excel at the actual Championships. Conditions-wise, a race in Abbotsford in Nov to select a team for a race in Victoria in Feb makes pretty good sense to me.

    Next year, Worlds are in Australia in March. Having a selection race in Newfoundland or Northern Quebec or Grande Prairie in November to select a team for that event makes little sense to me.

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    Mr. Stewart Cup said 2 days ago

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    I think that we agree more than we disagree. An xc race shouldn't be a road-race-on-grass, but then again, neither should it be an extreme, trail race.

    This year's course in Abbotsford was a bit tame for my taste, but it was very spectator friendly.

    The goal of a Championship Trial should be to select athletes who will excel at the actual Championships. Conditions-wise, a race in Abbotsford in Nov to select a team for a race in Victoria in Feb makes pretty good sense to me.

    Next year, Worlds are in Australia in March. Having a selection race in Newfoundland or Northern Quebec or Grande Prairie in November to select a team for that event makes little sense to me."


    You're right we should hold it somewhere that has a hot climate similar to the Australian outback....

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    Anonymous said 2 days ago

    Quoting: Kurt

    "No one complained. "


    It's spelt 'everyone'

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    Acxc participant said 22 hours ago

    ACXC exceeded my expectations. I had heardthe course was short but the changes clearly fixed this issue as i have seen several gps distances of 10.0X km. Course had good footing, awards podium was great! Weather was awesome for xc! Props the BC and the host club for a great event!

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    Anonymous said 14 hours ago

    Would people complain if a XC was long? Or is it only an issue when it's shot?

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    AthleticsIllustrated said 12 hours ago

    I am guessing you may know this. Cross courses do not have to be accurate and the culture is/was that no one should care either - it's pure racing. I think World Athletics have long published guidelines that speak to 1750m to 2250m for a 2K loop. (I may be off - haven't bothered to look up again).

    That's up to 500m difference. With satellite accuracy not being perfect and the rough distance being good - should not worry about exact distance on the watch, because that would lead you to do the track and road racing calculations in your mind about being a % faster/slower than "this known guy" or compared to your own race performance last year...and generally thinking about how "fast" you ran. As you know, the ground was firm in most places, next year it may be a mud bath.

    Cross is about, asking yourself "did I dig deep and beat guy X in the race, mana-a-mano as well as did our team work together with a plan to place as high as possible?"

    You will have plenty of opportunities to compare yourself to yourself or to others in workouts, indoor season, outdoor season and if you ever road race. Even road races have to add a metre-per-kilometre in distance over the shortest possible tangents to make sure that the distance is at least the distance.....so good luck running 5,000.0000000m in a road race, more like 5.1K!

    Cheers,

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    Anonymous said 8 hours ago

    Quoting: AthleticsIllustrated
    "I am guessing you may know this. Cross courses do not have to be accurate and the culture is/was that no one should care either - it's pure racing. I think World Athletics have long published guidelines that speak to 1750m to 2250m for a 2K loop. (I may be off - haven't bothered to look up again).

    That's up to 500m difference. With satellite accuracy not being perfect and the rough distance being good - should not worry about exact distance on the watch, because that would lead you to do the track and road racing calculations in your mind about being a % faster/slower than "this known guy" or compared to your own race performance last year...and generally thinking about how "fast" you ran. As you know, the ground was firm in most places, next year it may be a mud bath.

    Cross is about, asking yourself "did I dig deep and beat guy X in the race, mana-a-mano as well as did our team work together with a plan to place as high as possible?"

    You will have plenty of opportunities to compare yourself to yourself or to others in workouts, indoor season, outdoor season and if you ever road race. Even road races have to add a metre-per-kilometre in distance over the shortest possible tangents to make sure that the distance is at least the distance.....so good luck running 5,000.0000000m in a road race, more like 5.1K!

    Cheers,"


    Thank you....perhaps we can put this ridiculous issue to rest once and for all. I'm so tired about hearing that a course was 100m short. Guess what guys it wouldn't of made a difference anyways.

    Cheers,

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    Anonymous said 7 hours ago

    Ever run a XC race where you had no idea who was in front of you, how far in front of you they were or what position you were in relative to your competition?

    Ever run a XC race where people that weren't actually competing against you impeded your progress?

    If you were a U16 female racing at ACXC that's what you got.

    AC & race organizers inexplicably decided on the Thursday before the race that they were going to combine the U16 male & female races despite having ample time in the schedule to run the individual races they sold to participants..

    No consultation with or feedback from participants before dropping that on everyone.

    Horrible, indefensible decision the marginalized the U16 race in general & the U16 female race in particular.

    Just scrap it if you aren't even going to try to do it right.

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    Zanzibar said 3 hours ago

    Quoting: Anonymous
    "Ever run a XC race where you had no idea who was in front of you, how far in front of you they were or what position you were in relative to your competition?

    Ever run a XC race where people that weren't actually competing against you impeded your progress?

    If you were a U16 female racing at ACXC that's what you got.

    AC & race organizers inexplicably decided on the Thursday before the race that they were going to combine the U16 male & female races despite having ample time in the schedule to run the individual races they sold to participants..

    No consultation with or feedback from participants before dropping that on everyone.

    Horrible, indefensible decision the marginalized the U16 race in general & the U16 female race in particular.

    Just scrap it if you aren't even going to try to do it right."



    I would like to hear the U16 girls perspective on this. Were they happy with the extra competition of beating some boys and possibly being more driven/paced for a faster time? Or were they annoyed and demoralized by all the extra bodies in the race, as well as not getting their own age/gendered race.

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