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Distance Stud said 1 week ago

Cam Levins vs Mike Tate

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  • stonecoldstevejones User since:
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    StoneColdSteveJones said 1 week ago

    IF YOU'RE A FAN OF BALLS TO THE WALL, GUN TO TAPE, SUFFER FEST TYPES OF RACES, GIVE ME A HECK YEAH...

    (HECK YEAH)

    YOU SIT BEHIND YOUR COMPUTERS AND TALK ABOUT YOUR KNIGHTS, AND YOUR AHMEDS, BUT STEVE JONES 3:16 SAYS THAT YOU SHOULD TAKE YOUR KEYBOARDS...

    (WHAT?)

    LOG ONTO THE INTERNET

    (WHAT?)

    SEARCH OUT SOME MIKE TATE RACES

    (WHAT?)

    AND BE PREPARED TO WATCH SOME GOSH DARN GOOD RACES.


    WHAT TATE BRINGS TO RACES IS AN "HONEST EFFORT"...HE EITHER OPENS UP A CAN OF WHOOP ARSE ON THE FIELD, OR HE DIES TRYING. MAYBE HE DOESN'T HAVE THE "PROMISE" OF OTHER RUNNERS MENTIONED, BUT HE'S ALSO A COLLEGE KID WHO HAS RUN 13:37, CONTINUES TO IMPROVE YEAR TO YEAR, AND IS ONE OF THE GRITTIEST RUNNERS OUT THERE...AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE, CAUSE STONE COLD SAYS SO.

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    skujdrivers said 1 week ago

    Quoting: Really Am Skuj
    "Exhibit A: 7:41 with one shoe.

    Does anyone else want to claim that Levins was not capable of sub13 before The Fall?

    (PS: He beat Ahmed the night before The Fall.)"


    whats the two shoe conversion on that, 7:30? are we just making up conversions now?

    PS: Ahmed was only a 13:18 runner few months into his pro career without much of a kick at that point. See the 2015 Pre 5k (13:20, 60 second last lap in 11th place), fast forward one year and 13:01, 54 last lap leading until the last 90m. At his best Levins was 2015 Ahmed.

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    Really Am Skuj said 1 week ago

    I understand that StoneCold is some kind of comic legend around here, but am I alone in flat out refusing to read paragraphs written in CAPS? Am I missing out?

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    Andrew Jones said 6 days ago

    Quoting: Really Am Skuj
    "I understand that StoneCold is some kind of comic legend around here, but am I alone in flat out refusing to read paragraphs written in CAPS? Am I missing out?"


    Best not to stop SCSJ when he gets going. Think John Belushi in Animal House:

    "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

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    Troll Takahashi said 6 days ago

    Eh Stonecoldstevejones you mean this:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/FloTrack/status/956564838129451008/video/1

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    Troll Takahashi said 6 days ago

    Quoting: Anonymous
    "Nice one, Dave"


    Hmmm, if BESTCOACH' first name is Dave, I literally have been clueless about who he is this entire time lol. There are several Dave's though, so I'm still unsure which one BESTCOACH is.
    But I like BESTCOACH and the stuff he posts. My bet though is that Justyn Knight stops running when he takes down the records of Ahmed and those belong to him. So 2024 in Paris Justyn will still be running and will show that he is the Bekele of Canadian Distance Running while Ahmed becomes Geb.

    This is how Ahmed's torch will be handed over to Knight one day
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vvqAIl_Ydiw

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    Really Am Skuj said 6 days ago

    Quoting: skujdrivers
    "whats the two shoe conversion on that, 7:30?


    Yes.

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    Anonymous said 6 days ago

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    "To fuel the rabble rousers Mo Ahmed is not a born and bred Canadian. Yes, yes I know he arrived in Canada as a child and came when he was 11 or 12.

    He's quasi Canadian in my books.

    If you accept Mo Ahmed as Canadian then do you accept Paul Chelimo as American? He came to the USA at 18."



    Stop being xenophobic.

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    Strivs said 6 days ago

    Anyone seen Mike Tate's Strava? Seems like SUU does 3 workouts on consecutive days and Mike runs a morning 10 mile.


    Is this normal for top NCAA athletes?
    Also, what happened to Mo's brother who went to SUU, done running?

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    Aerobic Monster said 5 days ago

    Guys I have a hypothetical situation; Say we take a 2005 Jake Gallagher and a 2013 Mike Tate...But they are both the same age and run NSSAF provincials against each other...

    Here is some background info on how utterly dominant Jake was in high school; He won provincials in the 1500m in a time of 3:55, then the next day the kid throws down in the 800m to run 1:54 breaking the high school record...Then in the afternoon the kid destroys everyone in the 5000 by over 30s running 15:13 on tired legs..Jake's PBs:
    800m-1:53
    1500m-3:55
    3000m-8:30
    5000m-14:44

    Here is some background info on how dominant Tate was in his grade 12 year; Comes 4th at Canadian XC Nats then later in the winter he runs a 8:23 indoor 3k...Then at provincials he runsa a 3:54 1500 to break Englehutt's record, the next day he runs 1:55 in the 800, then after on tired legs in the afternoon he runs 8:51 to win the 3k. Tate's PBs:
    800m-1:55
    1500m-3:50
    3000m-8:23
    5000m-14:56

    Who would win in a 1500m race?
    800m?
    5000m?

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    Aerobic Monster said 5 days ago

    Guys I have a hypothetical situation; Say we take a 2005 Jake Gallagher and a 2013 Mike Tate...But they are both the same age and run NSSAF provincials against each other...

    Here is some background info on how utterly dominant Jake was in high school; He won provincials in the 1500m in a time of 3:55, then the next day the kid throws down in the 800m to run 1:54 breaking the high school record...Then in the afternoon the kid destroys everyone in the 5000 by over 30s running 15:13 on tired legs..Jake's PBs:
    800m-1:53
    1500m-3:55
    3000m-8:30
    5000m-14:44

    Here is some background info on how dominant Tate was in his grade 12 year; Comes 4th at Canadian XC Nats then later in the winter he runs a 8:23 indoor 3k...Then at provincials he runsa a 3:54 1500 to break Englehutt's record, the next day he runs 1:55 in the 800, then after on tired legs in the afternoon he runs 8:51 to win the 3k. Tate's PBs:
    800m-1:55
    1500m-3:50
    3000m-8:23
    5000m-14:56

    Who would win in a 1500m race?
    800m?
    5000m?

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    Anonymous said 4 days ago

    Quoting: Aerobic Monster
    "Guys I have a hypothetical situation; Say we take a 2005 Jake Gallagher and a 2013 Mike Tate...But they are both the same age and run NSSAF provincials against each other...

    Here is some background info on how utterly dominant Jake was in high school; He won provincials in the 1500m in a time of 3:55, then the next day the kid throws down in the 800m to run 1:54 breaking the high school record...Then in the afternoon the kid destroys everyone in the 5000 by over 30s running 15:13 on tired legs..Jake's PBs:
    800m-1:53
    1500m-3:55
    3000m-8:30
    5000m-14:44

    Here is some background info on how dominant Tate was in his grade 12 year; Comes 4th at Canadian XC Nats then later in the winter he runs a 8:23 indoor 3k...Then at provincials he runsa a 3:54 1500 to break Englehutt's record, the next day he runs 1:55 in the 800, then after on tired legs in the afternoon he runs 8:51 to win the 3k. Tate's PBs:
    800m-1:55
    1500m-3:50
    3000m-8:23
    5000m-14:56

    Who would win in a 1500m race?
    800m?
    5000m?"

    what is it with you and Jake Gallagher

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    petesakes said 3 days ago

    Cam Levins was a great runner, no doubt. He had all the physical tools to be a sub 13/27 min runner.

    He reminds me of an Alan Webb, Matthew Wheating, Chris Solinsky or Mary Cain type runner. Loads of talent, works hard, but doesn't have the training IQ to sustain a long and successful career. He ran well while he was relatively healthy in college and had a solid coaching situation. He started becoming a little unglued once he joined NOP. He set a 5k PB (13:15) just before training with them full-time, and complained about his breathing during that race. They probably gave him asthma meds. After that he often had respiratory illnesses just before or during major events, and was often on antibiotics. Fair to say he underachieved with NOP for the most part.
    The fall and ankle injury were not his fault, but he and his coach rushed back into training and tried to train through the injury which made it worse. I do blame him for that.
    Post surgery, he went back to ridiculously high mileage again, and tried "racing" himself back into shape. It wasn't successful, and he was barely able to run sub 3 min/km pace. His half marathon in the fall as well as cross country racing was postponed due to him over-stretching his ankle and re-injuring it. Then he had these big marathon plans where he was thinking he could break Jerome's 2:10 record. His half marathon runs have been less than stellar. Women have run faster than him, and this is after he ran a 14:10 5k in June. None of the sub 65 min women have that speed, but they have better endurance than he does, so his LSD plan isn't exactly working out for him either.
    He said he was going to transition to the marathon, then he said he wanted to go back to the track since he had unfinished business. I don't think he has any idea what he really wants or how he would get there. He's hoping to capture that lightning in a bottle again, but it just isn't happening.

    I've only talked to Cam in person once, but nearly every interview I've watched with him leaves me wondering about his mental acuity. He doesn't appear to understand his body, how to train it properly, how to mentally prepare for races or deal with poor performances when they happen. He often times goes into races with unrealistic expectations, and is then left scrambling to explain what happened when he's brought back down to earth. So although I think Cam has the physical tools to come back, I think he definitely lacks what Ritz has, which is mental focus and a thorough understanding of training methods, and how his body will adapt to it, to launch a successful comeback. Cam seems to be drifting aimlessly.
    Good luck to Cam, but I really do think he's had his 15mins of fame. I hope he enjoyed it.

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    MilesDavisAndTheCool said 3 days ago

    Quoting: petesakes
    "Cam Levins was a great runner, no doubt. He had all the physical tools to be a sub 13/27 min runner.

    He reminds me of an Alan Webb, Matthew Wheating, Chris Solinsky or Mary Cain type runner. Loads of talent, works hard, but doesn't have the training IQ to sustain a long and successful career. He ran well while he was relatively healthy in college and had a solid coaching situation. He started becoming a little unglued once he joined NOP. He set a 5k PB (13:15) just before training with them full-time, and complained about his breathing during that race. They probably gave him asthma meds. After that he often had respiratory illnesses just before or during major events, and was often on antibiotics. Fair to say he underachieved with NOP for the most part.
    The fall and ankle injury were not his fault, but he and his coach rushed back into training and tried to train through the injury which made it worse. I do blame him for that.
    Post surgery, he went back to ridiculously high mileage again, and tried "racing" himself back into shape. It wasn't successful, and he was barely able to run sub 3 min/km pace. His half marathon in the fall as well as cross country racing was postponed due to him over-stretching his ankle and re-injuring it. Then he had these big marathon plans where he was thinking he could break Jerome's 2:10 record. His half marathon runs have been less than stellar. Women have run faster than him, and this is after he ran a 14:10 5k in June. None of the sub 65 min women have that speed, but they have better endurance than he does, so his LSD plan isn't exactly working out for him either.
    He said he was going to transition to the marathon, then he said he wanted to go back to the track since he had unfinished business. I don't think he has any idea what he really wants or how he would get there. He's hoping to capture that lightning in a bottle again, but it just isn't happening.

    I've only talked to Cam in person once, but nearly every interview I've watched with him leaves me wondering about his mental acuity. He doesn't appear to understand his body, how to train it properly, how to mentally prepare for races or deal with poor performances when they happen. He often times goes into races with unrealistic expectations, and is then left scrambling to explain what happened when he's brought back down to earth. So although I think Cam has the physical tools to come back, I think he definitely lacks what Ritz has, which is mental focus and a thorough understanding of training methods, and how his body will adapt to it, to launch a successful comeback. Cam seems to be drifting aimlessly.
    Good luck to Cam, but I really do think he's had his 15mins of fame. I hope he enjoyed it."


    You know what you've got to do Petesakes...only YOU have all the answers to make Cam great again! Pick up that phone and tell him exactly what you've told us, if he doesn't buy in, he'll be a fool!

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    Really Am Skuj said 3 days ago

    I'm going to have to look up all these sub65 HM women!!

    I know Cam quite well, and I have maintained conversation with him for the last 15+ years, and I have absolutely no clue about what Petesakes is saying. That must go down as one of the most misinformed diatribes in Trackie history.

    Try again sometime.

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    Really Am Skuj said 3 days ago

    3 women have gone sub65. The W5000m WR is 14:11 - so exactly ZERO women in the world, HM specialists or not, "have that speed" (even though a couple have come close).

    And here we are making these comparisons at a time when Cam is clearly only part way through comeback mode. He understands that.

    Petesakes doesn't.

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    petesakes said 2 days ago

    Quoting: Really Am Skuj
    "3 women have gone sub65. The W5000m WR is 14:11 - so exactly ZERO women in the world, HM specialists or not, "have that speed" (even though a couple have come close).

    And here we are making these comparisons at a time when Cam is clearly only part way through comeback mode. He understands that.

    Petesakes doesn't."


    That's the point. Cam ran FASTER than ANY woman in a 5k, 7 months ago when he was just beginning his comeback. If he were making real PROGRESS, you would think a high mileage guy like him would EASILY be able to run MUCH faster than women in a half marathon right now. Not so.

    I hope the guy stays healthy and is able to train well this year. Maybe he'll be competitive on the track again.

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    Really Am Skuj said 2 days ago

    OR......

    The 5k comes back to you much more readily than the HM does when one is ramping up?

    I admit to reading your post and firing off a couple of not very well worded responses right away, but these comments about Cam's mental state drive me insane. Didn't you think he was a genius in 2012? Did his mental state change since then?

    Your initial post contains factual inaccuracies. What makes you say that he went back to ridiculously high mileage post surgery? What makes you say that he rushed back into training after the fall?

    It is true that Cam ran on a bad ankle for a while, and we can make a thread about NOP negligence if we are really brave. I do NOT "blame him for this".

    He was misquoted about doing a Marathon in 2017. He might do one in 2018. He has ALWAYS said that he is not done with the track yet.

    There's more to pick apart in your post, but I'll stop there for now.

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    Anonymous said 2 days ago

    Quoting: StoneColdSteveJones
    "IF YOU'RE A FAN OF BALLS TO THE WALL, GUN TO TAPE, SUFFER FEST TYPES OF RACES, GIVE ME A HECK YEAH...

    (HECK YEAH)

    YOU SIT BEHIND YOUR COMPUTERS AND TALK ABOUT YOUR KNIGHTS, AND YOUR AHMEDS, BUT STEVE JONES 3:16 SAYS THAT YOU SHOULD TAKE YOUR KEYBOARDS...

    (WHAT?)

    LOG ONTO THE INTERNET

    (WHAT?)

    SEARCH OUT SOME MIKE TATE RACES

    (WHAT?)

    AND BE PREPARED TO WATCH SOME GOSH DARN GOOD RACES.


    WHAT TATE BRINGS TO RACES IS AN "HONEST EFFORT"...HE EITHER OPENS UP A CAN OF WHOOP ARSE ON THE FIELD, OR HE DIES TRYING. MAYBE HE DOESN'T HAVE THE "PROMISE" OF OTHER RUNNERS MENTIONED, BUT HE'S ALSO A COLLEGE KID WHO HAS RUN 13:37, CONTINUES TO IMPROVE YEAR TO YEAR, AND IS ONE OF THE GRITTIEST RUNNERS OUT THERE...AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE, CAUSE STONE COLD SAYS SO."


    aren’t those all the very things every runner does when they compete?

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    Andrew Jones said 1 day ago

    I've only talked to Cam in person once, but nearly every interview I've watched with him leaves me wondering about his mental acuity. He doesn't appear to understand his body, how to train it properly, how to mentally prepare for races or deal with poor performances when they happen. He often times goes into races with unrealistic expectations, and is then left scrambling to explain what happened when he's brought back down to earth. So although I think Cam has the physical tools to come back, I think he definitely lacks what Ritz has, which is mental focus and a thorough understanding of training methods, and how his body will adapt to it, to launch a successful comeback. Cam seems to be drifting aimlessly.
    Good luck to Cam, but I really do think he's had his 15mins of fame. I hope he enjoyed it.


    Petesakes, the inferences you are making here seem to be incredibly outlandish and downright illogical.

    This part of your "analysis" seems completely wrongheaded, given what Levins has achieved in his career (still incomplete -- when you look at typical adaptations), which has taken place at the highest levels in our sport:

    "...which is mental focus and a thorough understanding of training methods, and how his body will adapt to it..."

    Do I need to copy in his palmarès here? I don't think so, as you claim some kind of Levins expertise.

    The use of the term "hoisted on his own petard" appears to be looming here; in other words, petesakes, if Cam does come back successfully, will you do the right thing and admit you were wrong in forecasting his upcoming failure and demise? (I promise I'll come back on and say I was wrong, if things don't work out for Cam)

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    petesakes said 1 day ago

    if Cam does come back successfully, will you do the right thing and admit you were wrong in forecasting his upcoming failure and demise? (I promise I'll come back on and say I was wrong, if things don't work out for Cam)"[/QUOTE]

    I absolutely hope I'm wrong, and Cam comes back better than ever. If/when he does - I apologize for getting his situation completely wrong, and I'm an idiot!

    I had a similar conversation with another distance runner a few months back. He's a former National Team member for Canada who has represented us internationally in track, cross country as well as road races. At the time, I was hoping Cam would make be making some progress, fitness-wise, prior to his half marathon experiment. When I asked him what he thought of Cam Levins' comeback, he simply said, "I think he's done". That statement surprised me at the time.

    I must say, it really is nice to see some of the posters on this site taking such a positive approach to comebacks. Hope is a powerful weapon which many distance runners seem to possess. Hats off to you!

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    petesakes said 1 day ago

    Quoting: Really Am Skuj
    "OR......

    The 5k comes back to you much more readily than the HM does when one is ramping up?

    Perhaps true.

    I admit to reading your post and firing off a couple of not very well worded responses right away, but these comments about Cam's mental state drive me insane. Didn't you think he was a genius in 2012? Did his mental state change since then?

    I thought he was amazing back in 2012. Really fun to watch race.

    Your initial post contains factual inaccuracies. What makes you say that he went back to ridiculously high mileage post surgery? What makes you say that he rushed back into training after the fall?

    I watched a few online interviews with Cam and read a few articles where he said all this. I was very concerned with the big jump in training volume when he returned to working with his college coach.

    It is true that Cam ran on a bad ankle for a while, and we can make a thread about NOP negligence if we are really brave. I do NOT "blame him for this".

    Cam said he made a mistake in trying to train through the injury. Athletes will often play down the severity of an injury, especially when they have just run a great time (27:07 10k). He said he should have put the brakes on his training, but he did not want to miss the WC so he ignored it. Cam owned this mistake, so I simply reiterated it.

    He was misquoted about doing a Marathon in 2017. He might do one in 2018. He has ALWAYS said that he is not done with the track yet.

    That may be right. I was a little confused as to what he was actually trying to train for which is partially why I thought he was confused in his training plan.

    There's more to pick apart in your post, but I'll stop there for now."


    Thanks. You're very kind.

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    Really Am Skuj said 1 day ago

    The 27:07 was earlier in 2015. The night before The Fall he beat Ahmed. The Fall changed everything. He had to lay low for a while with rib issues, and that overshadowed the ankle problems. It's very hard for me to go into what NOP did or didn't do with regard to the ankle - the word "incompetence" comes to mind, given all of their resources. Cam has always been very kind in interviews. "Kindness" may even be part of a deal!!

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