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Andrew Jones said 4 months ago

Soccer and Running

In honour of the global frenzy known as the FIFA World Cup, any thoughts from you track fans on how soccer relates to Athletics?

We know that many good runners have a soccer background, and that some running elites were noticed on the pitch first (see Galen Rupp), but how strong is the tie here?

BTW, London's Jessie Fleming was mentioned in another thread...she won the 15 and 3 at OFSAA pretty convincingly some years ago and since then has become an Olympic medallist in soccer.

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    AHurdlerIGuess said 4 months ago

    Myles Misener-Daley was on the Canadian U15 soccer team as a right back some years ago, a lot of good football or soccer players have athletics backgrounds, because it's more or less the basis of every sport.

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    Andrew Jones said 4 months ago

    Quoting: AHurdlerIGuess
    "Myles Misener-Daley was on the Canadian U15 soccer team as a right back some years ago, a lot of good football or soccer players have athletics backgrounds, because it's more or less the basis of every sport."


    MMD's OFSAA triple was truly impressive -- especially the sub-46 400m. One may reason that his amazing quarter was supported by this soccer foundation.

    I wonder if someone like Rupp built an East African-like "aerobic house" from serious competitive soccer and the hit the track and XC...well, running. Should more track clubs and university coaches visit the local soccer field to find their next blue-chip prospect?

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    Anonymous said 4 months ago

    Quoting: Andrew Jones
    "MMD's OFSAA triple was truly impressive -- especially the sub-46 400m. One may reason that his amazing quarter was supported by this soccer foundation.

    I wonder if someone like Rupp built an East African-like "aerobic house" from serious competitive soccer and the hit the track and XC...well, running. Should more track clubs and university coaches visit the local soccer field to find their next blue-chip prospect?"


    The national soccer guide on Long term development refers to two windows of opportunity for youth development. I believe it was 7-9 and 11-14....I'm not sure about the years but as a previous soccer player and track runner I always found it amazing how a soccer player can step on a track and have the same or better endurance. Kids like soccer and parents think all of their kids will get a million dollar contract. By the time parent and child figures out that isnt going to happen, its usually to late for the child to switch sports.
    Universities prefer multi sport kids...and soccer coaches and parents don't like it because it's more practices and more driving. Soccer parents don't realise track and field have scholarships too....

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    Anonymous said 4 months ago

    I think that France's Kylian Mbappé could give many track athletes a run for the money. Wondering if he has a track background and history.

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    Andrew Jones said 4 months ago

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    "The national soccer guide on Long term development refers to two windows of opportunity for youth development. I believe it was 7-9 and 11-14....I'm not sure about the years but as a previous soccer player and track runner I always found it amazing how a soccer player can step on a track and have the same or better endurance. Kids like soccer and parents think all of their kids will get a million dollar contract. By the time parent and child figures out that isnt going to happen, its usually to late for the child to switch sports.
    Universities prefer multi sport kids...and soccer coaches and parents don't like it because it's more practices and more driving. Soccer parents don't realise track and field have scholarships too...."


    Good point, and given the comprehensive physical "asks" that soccer presents, the high-achieving soccer player that falls short of that National Team dream is spoilt for another sport choice, and could perhaps find another path to international-level sport.

    It would follow that the young soccer player that is outrunning their peers after 60-70 minutes of play has great potential as a Mid-D or D runner.

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    Andrew Jones said 4 months ago

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    "I think that France's Kylian Mbappé could give many track athletes a run for the money. Wondering if he has a track background and history."


    I always wondered what the great runners in soccer -- players like Thierry Henry, Michael Owen, Ryan Giggs -- could do on the track. And what events would they gravitate to?

    Those of old enough will remember "The Brian Budd Rule" when network TV ran The Superstars competition, but that was an all-round competition. I wonder how Budd would've done as, say, a 1500m runner.

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    Ron MacLean's dog said 4 months ago

    Quoting: Andrew Jones
    "Good point, and given the comprehensive physical "asks" that soccer presents, the high-achieving soccer player that falls short of that National Team dream is spoilt for another sport choice, and could perhaps find another path to international-level sport.

    It would follow that the young soccer player that is outrunning their peers after 60-70 minutes of play has great potential as a Mid-D or D runner."


    Or a sprinter like Adam Gemili who played soccer at a fairly high level in England until he was 18.

    In any event, I wish that parents would quit thinking of sports as a path to wealth or even a university education for their kids - it may happen but the odds are very much stacked against it. By all means, kids should participate in as many physical activities as possible, and this certainly doesn't inhibit one's ability to progress to the elite level (if that's on the cards). But I've seen too many kids burn out at 13 or 14 and quit sport altogether due to the pressure their parents are putting on them.

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    AHurdlerIGuess said 4 months ago

    Quoting: Anonymous
    "I think that France's Kylian Mbappé could give many track athletes a run for the money. Wondering if he has a track background and history."


    Now Mbappe is fast, but there's many soccer players faster than him. Marvell Wynne of the USA ran 10.38 as a high schooler. I reckon Mbappe can run about 10.9,22.3,49,1:54, perhaps better with more training. In general pro soccer players tend to be better 400-1500 runners, but its not like you can just take a guy like Cristiano off the pitch and expect him to go 47 something in a 400m. mbappe apparently had a top speed of about 44.5km/h, which is really fast though. I'm not sure how much track background he may have, considering it's not very popular in france (after soccer, I think the biggest sport is tennis in france.) A lot of very fast europeans don't end up properly pursuing track and field, like alex kiwomya, who was running 10.9 at 14, people like Adam Gemili are rare. I think the relationship between soccer and track is pretty similar to the relationship between baseball and track, it's not necessarily directly related, while almost every american football player can do well at some sort of track and field event

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    neal.currie said 4 months ago

    Quoting: AHurdlerIGuess
    "mbappe apparently had a top speed of about 44.5km/h, which is really fast though."


    They made mistake(s) if that's the figure they arrived at; only Usain Bolt has ever been recorded to have run this fast, and only once with reliable measurement: Bolt's fastest recorded 20m section of his 9.58 world record is 44.7 km/h.

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    Andrew Jones said 4 months ago

    Quoting: neal.currie
    "They made mistake(s) if that's the figure they arrived at; only Usain Bolt has ever been recorded to have run this fast, and only once with reliable measurement: Bolt's fastest recorded 20m section of his 9.58 world record is 44.7 km/h."


    Yes, I've always thought those TV-shown speed numbers were a bit hyperbolic!

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    neal.currie said 4 months ago

    Quoting: Andrew Jones
    "Yes, I've always thought those TV-shown speed numbers were a bit hyperbolic!"


    TV is in the entertainment industry, not the accuracy industry. :)

    http://www.meathathletics.ie/devathletes/pdf/Biomechanics%20of%20Sprints.pdf has some good data.

    In case it's helpful...
    To convert m/s to km/h: multiply by 3.6.
    To convert a time for 10m segment to km/h: divide 36 by the 10m segment time. Ex: 36/0.81 = 44.4 km/h.

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    Bryan said 4 months ago

    Julia Labach played for U of S Women's soccer and got recruited to Track. In her words, the aerobic expectations as a middle distance runner were much higher. She recently got 4th at Nationals in 2:02.09 - a new Sask record.

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    anonymous said 3 months ago

    https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/summer/trackandfield/bismark-boateng-switch-soccer-track-paying-off-1.4749087

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    Andrew Jones said 3 months ago

    https://www.iaaf.org/news/series/aaron-brown-loves-sprinting

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    Weather said 3 months ago

    Jessie Fleming of Canada's national women's team won OFSAAXC and the 1500m and 3000 m before focusing on soccer.

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    Andrew Jones said 3 months ago

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    "Jessie Fleming of Canada's national women's team won OFSAAXC and the 1500m and 3000 m before focusing on soccer."


    Yes, I mentioned her in my original entry in this thread and is arguably the greatest athlete to come out of London, Ontario. One could make that case as she probably could have been an internationalist in two sports, and she won an Olympic medal (at a very young age) in the sport she chose to specialize in -- and was a valuable member of that team.

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    PB said 3 months ago

    Fleming is a great athlete, but arguably the greatest to come out of London, Ontario is a bit of a stretch. How about Damian Warner? Eric Lindros? Drew Doughty? Logan Couture? Jeff Carter? Christine Nesbitt? Tessa Virtue?

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    Andrew Jones said 3 months ago

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    "Fleming is a great athlete, but arguably the greatest to come out of London, Ontario is a bit of a stretch. How about Damian Warner? Eric Lindros? Drew Doughty? Logan Couture? Jeff Carter? Christine Nesbitt? Tessa Virtue?"


    All great athletes, no doubt. But those you mention, other than Warner, haven't shown the same multi-sport abilities, and did not achieve the high, high, international success at the young age that Jesse did.

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    roman_the_runner said 3 months ago

    It's called football!

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    Ron MacLean's dog said 3 months ago

    Quoting: roman_the_runner
    "It's called football!"


    Well, if we're being pedantic about it, it's called "association football", there being many codes of football played around the world (rugby, Aussie rules, Gaelic, American, Canadian) - soccer is commonly used in Ireland and Australia where it plays second fiddle to the local version of football. Soccer was also used more or less interchangeably with football in the UK up through the 1980s.

    North Americans who call it football are inevitably hipsters who are unfamiliar with the history of the sport.

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    Anonymous said 3 months ago

    Quoting: Andrew Jones
    "All great athletes, no doubt. But those you mention, other than Warner, haven't shown the same multi-sport abilities, and did not achieve the high, high, international success at the young age that Jesse did."


    Eric Lindros was one of the best junior aged hockey players ever. He won an Olympic silver medal at 18/19 years old (turned 19 in February of that year and I'm not sure what date the final was held on). He is still Canada's all-time points leader at World Junior Championships. He won an Olympic gold medal in 2002. He was unquestionably the best player in the world in 1995 (at 22).

    The way he behaved as a young man (and the way his parents behaved his whole life) has tarnished his legacy forever, but to say that he didn't achieve high, high international success at a young age is just revisionist history.

    As for saying that he didn't enjoy the multi-sport success- he batted over .400 in high school and was given a tryout with the Blue Jays. I imagine some of that was a publicity stunt because of his early stardom in hockey, but it has to at least match a couple of OFSAA gold medals in track.

    I'm not suggesting that he is a slam dunk for London's best athlete ever, nor am I suggesting that it can't be Jesse, just pointing out that perhaps you need to research the other athletes on this list before claiming that they did or didn't do something.

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