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Anonymous said 2 months ago

Tokyo 2020 Women's marathon team

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    SteveWeiler said 1 month ago

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    "The problem is, the qualification system has been overhauled. Specifically (from the IAAF website),

    Athletes can qualify in one of two ways:

    • By virtue of their IAAF world ranking position at the end of the qualification period.
    • Achieving the entry standard within the qualification period.

    Entry standards will be approved and published later this year, but will be set for the sole purpose of qualifying athletes with exceptional performances unable to qualify through the IAAF world rankings pathway.

    So depending on what they select for the ranking system (i.e., how deep they go) - Canadian athletes could be left on the outside looking in. For example, on the women's side, Rachel Cliff is ranked 118th in the World. If you drop that down to 3 athletes per country, she probably moves to ~30-40th.

    The marathon obviously has the capacity to have more athletes on the start line than other events, but if IAAF (hypothetical here, no idea if this will be the case) decides to take top 50 plus the "exceptional performances", I suspect you're going to need a sub 2:30 to make the team.

    I wonder if AC said they would take the IAAF "standard" knowing that realistically, there isn't one. (The statement that the top Canadian at STWM will go sounds a lot like the rhetoric from NACAC as a qualifier for World's, and we all know how that went)."


    There is no problem here: following selection criteria that placed additional barriers in front of Canadian marathon (and RW?) athletes, Guy stated that AC would not impose additional barriers for 2020. Changes to the IAAF qualification system don't make it any harder to honour what Josh wrote (send 3, Canadian Champ auto) because that was all contingent on having satisfied IAAF criteria.

    I don't think Guy made these comments in bad faith and I don't see a valid comparison between 'Canadian Champ at STWM who satisfies IAAF criteria' and the NACAC qualifier.

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    Anonymous said 1 month ago

    Quoting: SteveWeiler
    "There is no problem here: following selection criteria that placed additional barriers in front of Canadian marathon (and RW?) athletes, Guy stated that AC would not impose additional barriers for 2020. Changes to the IAAF qualification system don't make it any harder to honour what Josh wrote (send 3, Canadian Champ auto) because that was all contingent on having satisfied IAAF criteria.

    I don't think Guy made these comments in bad faith and I don't see a valid comparison between 'Canadian Champ at STWM who satisfies IAAF criteria' and the NACAC qualifier."



    You mentioned in an earlier comment that the meeting was held post Rio and the firing of Eriksen. Was this before the overhaul of the qualifying system was announced (and before the hiring of Simon Nathan)? Perhaps thats what the previous poster was eluding to? i.e. it's all fine and good to say if you hit IAAF standard you'll go, but no one has any idea what that means yet given the new system.

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    Meizner said 1 month ago

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    "There is no problem here: following selection criteria that placed additional barriers in front of Canadian marathon (and RW?) athletes, Guy stated that AC would not impose additional barriers for 2020. Changes to the IAAF qualification system don't make it any harder to honour what Josh wrote (send 3, Canadian Champ auto) because that was all contingent on having satisfied IAAF criteria.

    I don't think Guy made these comments in bad faith and I don't see a valid comparison between 'Canadian Champ at STWM who satisfies IAAF criteria' and the NACAC qualifier."


    Given the relative complexity of the new system, and multiple 'outs' for AC here my initial estimate of 50% has been revised downwards.

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    SteveWeiler said 1 month ago

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    "I don't think Guy made these comments in bad faith "


    Athletics Canada has announced they are looking for a CEO.

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    Buddy said 1 month ago

    I nominated Mr. Boyd
    All those in favor say aye


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    "Athletics Canada has announced they are looking for a CEO."

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    Anonymous said 1 month ago

    aye

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    KMaser said 1 month ago

    Rachel Cliff should be on that team. Tessier as well,. The rest is wide open. Boyd would be a good CEO for AC.

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    Mac ScotDonald said 1 month ago

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    "Rachel Cliff should be on that team. Tessier as well,. The rest is wide open. Boyd would be a good CEO for AC."


    Yes but they will need to stay healthy and perform after January 1.

    Cliff
    Tessier
    Middleton

    These women have the fastest times this year but there are others who could leapfrog them (well...I doubt anyone will run faster than Cliff did at Berlin, but if any of them take a step back and someone else takes a step up.... It's going to be interesting). The women are much stronger than the men and there will be no problem qualifying 3 under IAAF rankings.

    For the men, after Cam (same proviso, needs a 2019 race, but he will do it) it's not clear. Reid had some health issues, but he's consistent so he could come back. After that there are a ton of guys in the 2:17-18 range. There are only 80 spots in the marathon in Tokyo, 40 fewer than rio so it stands to reason the IAAF standard will be harder than before. Figure out world rankings top 80 3 per country and you've got your IAAF standard. It should be around 2:16.

    So if AC says 2:16 for a standard is that "fair"?

    Also who is going to run Pan-Am Games marathon in Peru/World Champs marathon in Doha? Do you take that international cap or do you go all in for 2020? There's going to be some interesting jockeying regarding who does what race in 2019.

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