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Josh Seifarth said 1 week ago

Tokyo Olympic Standards

IAAF released standards today. Looks like we can't whine about AC this time around... these standards are markedly harder than any other time in recent history.

https://www.iaaf.org/news/press-release/council-march-2019-olympic-qualification

Marathon
M - 2:11.30
W - 2:29.30

10,000
M - 27:28
W - 31:25

5,000
M - 13:13.50
W - 15:10.00

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    Anonymous said 1 week ago

    Time to step up!

    Rachel and Cam are well under.

    After that...Can Tessier knock off 30sec? None of the good breakthroughs from Houston matter at this point, and neither does Kinsey's 2:32. More is needed.

    Guys...a wasteland after Cam. Who will step into the breach?

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    Ole Musky said 1 week ago

    I wonder if AC will go with those or will they make their own?

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    Balestrini said 1 week ago

    From that communication, although I'm sure it will be clarified soon, those standards will be used in conjunction with the new World Rankings system to create the fields.

    Using the marathon as the example - from the official communication (https://t.co/IJjFllu2eK) they still want 80 female and 80 male athletes, with no more than 3 from each country. Obviously, they wouldn't get the field sizes if they use those posted standards. What I'm guessing is that those standards are for athletes that for some reason don't fit within 'World Ranking' parameters (i.e. only running one event within the qualification period) to still be considered by the NSOs. In that communication they estimated that it would be about a 50/50 split between athletes qualifying through the posted standards and athletes qualifying through the World Rankings.

    I'm sure a lot of athletes will be looking to Athletics Canada for the full scoop, but I bet there will be different 'World Ranking' criteria that won't be tied down to a specific number (or a least softer numbers than the IAAF released today).

    Maybe an insider knows better?

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    Oldster said 1 week ago

    From my understanding, Chris is correct. You will be able to receive considerable bonus point (which effectively lower your qualifying time) based on where you ran your best time-- and championships of various kinds (anything from AOs to Worlds) include points bonuses. So, folks, get yourself into those championships and run fast. And, championships, please use time schedules and other format designs to promote fast running. Our Nats 10ks out in Vancouver is a great start. The winners there will rack up big points if they can run at old fashioned Harrry Jerome 10k levels!

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    Ole Musky said 1 week ago

    "The first 10 runners in the Men’s Marathon and in the Women’s Marathon in the
    IAAF World Athletics Championships Doha 2019 and the top 5 finishers at the
    IAAF Gold Label Marathons and the top 10 finishers at the Marathon Major Series
    (Tokyo, Boston, London, Berlin, Chicago and New York) held during the
    qualification period will also be considered as having achieved the entry standard."

    Interesting section on the marathon. If the prize money from those majors wasnt enough to draw an elite crowd, this might help

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    Josh Seifarth said 1 week ago

    Quoting: Ole Musky
    ""The first 10 runners in the Men’s Marathon and in the Women’s Marathon in the
    IAAF World Athletics Championships Doha 2019 and the top 5 finishers at the
    IAAF Gold Label Marathons and the top 10 finishers at the Marathon Major Series
    (Tokyo, Boston, London, Berlin, Chicago and New York) held during the
    qualification period will also be considered as having achieved the entry standard."

    Interesting section on the marathon. If the prize money from those majors wasnt enough to draw an elite crowd, this might help"


    For those who cannot hit the posted standards this is likely the best shot to qualify.

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    Anonymous said 1 week ago

    Dayna for top 5 in Ottawa.

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    Anonymous said 1 week ago

    25k and 30k count in world rankings points for marathon, so Around the Bay and River Bank Run count for points. Skip the 10 milers and 15k’s.

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    Anonymous said 1 week ago

    In the Women's 10k the current Canadian record is not even close to the qualifying time.

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    123youandme said 1 week ago

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    "In the Women's 10k the current Canadian record is not even close to the qualifying time."


    Perhaps because it is soft relative to the world stage?

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    Anonymous said 1 week ago

    Quoting: Anonymous
    "In the Women's 10k the current Canadian record is not even close to the qualifying time."


    While the standards are definitely more difficult, I think that speaks more to the relative weakness of the Canadian record than anything. Keep in mind ~1/3 of the field at Rio went sub 31:30.

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    Ole Musky said 1 week ago

    Is this in a round about way promoting doping? By making the standards this much faster I am sure there are some athletes out there that will not see another way other than doping

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    Anonymous said 1 week ago

    Quoting: Ole Musky
    "Is this in a round about way promoting doping? By making the standards this much faster I am sure there are some athletes out there that will not see another way other than doping"


    lol if doping is your first instinct then you have no place in a sport like this. Take the challenge gracefully and work hard for it. Athletes shouldn’t take this as an opportunity to cheat the system and saying that that tough standards promote doping is extremely silly.

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    Anonymous said 1 week ago

    Attending the Olympics is not a right based on your rank within your country it's about your rank within the world of athletics.

    I read an article somewhere that over 100 Kenyan men met the Olympic marathon standard for the Rio Olympics yet they were only allowed to send 3 participants. Perhaps it's time we removed the per country limit and made it truly an event that invites the best in the world.

    I completely agree that in some events we are extremely soft relative compared to the world stage.

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    Ole Musky said 1 week ago

    Quoting: Anonymous
    "lol if doping is your first instinct then you have no place in a sport like this. Take the challenge gracefully and work hard for it. Athletes shouldn’t take this as an opportunity to cheat the system and saying that that tough standards promote doping is extremely silly."


    not sure what is to "lol" about. You also ignored my question. Are you saying that every athlete in this sport takes the high road? That is pretty naive and foolish. Obviously I agree that doping has no place in the sport but when there is already such a problem ( now back to my original question) does increasing the difficulty of entry into the olympics not promote a higher level of doping?

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    Anonymous said 1 week ago

    Quoting: Anonymous
    "25k and 30k count in world rankings points for marathon, so Around the Bay and River Bank Run count for points. Skip the 10 milers and 15k’s."



    ATB will not count. Be careful. Here's a list: https://www.iaaf.org/records/certified-roadevents

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    Anonymous said 1 week ago

    CAN Calgary, AB Calgary Half Marathon Half Marathon IAAF rule compliant
    CAN Calgary, AB Calgary Marathon Marathon IAAF rule compliant
    CAN Carp, Ontario MEC Dad's Day Dash - Half Marathon Half Marathon IAAF rule compliant
    CAN Cornwall, Ontario Cornwall Run to End MS Marathon Marathon Separation >50%
    CAN Edmonton, AB Edmonton Half Marathon Half Marathon IAAF rule compliant
    CAN Edmonton, AB Edmonton Marathon Marathon IAAF rule compliant
    CAN Gatineau Park The MEC Gatineau Park Half Marathon Half Marathon IAAF rule compliant
    CAN Gatineau Park The MEC Gatineau Park Marathon Marathon IAAF rule compliant
    CAN Halifax, Nova Scotia Blue Nose Half Marathon Half Marathon IAAF rule compliant
    CAN Halifax, Nova Scotia Scotiabank Blue Nose Marathon Marathon IAAF rule compliant
    CAN Hamilton, Ontario Hamilton Half Marathon Road2Hope Half Marathon Downhill
    CAN Hamilton, Ontario Hamilton Marathon Road2Hope Marathon Downhill
    CAN Hecla, Manitoba Lakeview Hecla Half Marathon Half Marathon IAAF rule compliant
    CAN Kelowna, BC Okanagan Half Marathon Half Marathon IAAF rule compliant
    CAN Kelowna, BC Okanagan Marathon Marathon IAAF rule compliant
    CAN Liverpool, Nova Scotia Run Our Shore Half Marathon Marathon IAAF rule compliant
    CAN London, Ontario Run for Retina Research Half Marathon Half Marathon IAAF rule compliant
    CAN Mission, BC Mission Half Marathon Half Marathon IAAF rule compliant
    CAN Niagara Falls Niagara Falls Half Marathon Half Marathon IAAF rule compliant
    CAN Ottawa MEC Spring Flyer Half Marathon Ottawa Half Marathon IAAF rule compliant
    CAN Ottawa, ON Ottawa Half Marathon Half Marathon IAAF rule compliant
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    CAN Québec City Half Marathon SSQ de Québec Half Marathon IAAF rule compliant
    CAN Québec City Marathon SSQ de Québec Marathon IAAF rule compliant
    CAN Saint John, NB Running Room Half Marathon by the Sea Half Marathon IAAF rule compliant
    CAN Saint John, NB Emera Marathon by the Sea Marathon IAAF rule compliant
    CAN Simcoe, Ontario South Coast Half Marathon Simcoe Half Marathon IAAF rule compliant
    CAN Simcoe, Ontario South Coast Marathon Simcoe Marathon Separation >50%
    CAN Toronto, ON Goodlife Fitness Toronto Half Marathon Half Marathon Downhill, Separation > 50%
    CAN Toronto, ON Toronto Waterfront Half Marathon Half Marathon IAAF rule compliant
    CAN Toronto, ON Goodlife Fitness Toronto Marathon Marathon Downhill
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    CAN Vancouver, BC BMO Vancouver Half Marathon Half Marathon IAAF rule compliant
    CAN Vancouver, BC Scotia Bank Half Marathon Half Marathon Downhill
    CAN Vancouver, BC BMO Vancouver Marathon Marathon IAAF rule compliant
    CAN Victoria, BC Victoria Half Marathon Half Marathon IAAF rule compliant
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    CAN Yarmouth Yarmouth Marathon Marathon IAAF rule compliant

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    Anonymous said 1 week ago

    Hmm so that's just half and marathon. Here's what it says about other events. Is ATB compliant with IAAF Rules?

    OTHER ROAD RACES

    IAAF Rules – All performances must be achieved at a competition conducted according to the IAAF Rules

    Course measurement – All performances must be achieved on a course which holds a valid Course Measurement established no more than five years before the date of the race. An International measurement Certificate will be required in case of world record.

    Separation between start and finish – Performances achieved on courses where the start and finish points, measured along a theoretical straight line between them, are further apart than 50% of the race distance are:
    not valid for:
    - world records

    valid for:
    - Legal top lists
    - World rankings

    Elevation drop – Performances achieved on courses with a drop in elevation between the start and the finish which exceeds 1:1000, i.e. 1m per km, are:
    not valid for:
    - Legal top lists
    - World records

    Valid for:
    - World rankings (where a correction is made to the result score from which points are deducted depending on the drop)

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    sowhat said 1 week ago

    Lets get a list of all countries who's national record is not even close.
    What makes Canada so special?

    Quoting: Anonymous
    "In the Women's 10k the current Canadian record is not even close to the qualifying time."

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    Anonymous said 1 week ago

    BMO Vancouver Marathon is on that list and it drops more than 1m per km, and does not count for AC national teams qualification. Not sure why it says IAAF rule compliant there.

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    Anonymous said 1 week ago

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    At the World XC Champs in a few weeks the Canadians will probably do quite well yet it's highly unlikely that more than one of our XC participants will qualify for the Olympics next year.

    What does that say though? Does it mean the World XC champs is an incredibly weak event of does it mean Olympic standards are too "difficult".

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    Anonymous said 1 week ago

    Quoting: Anonymous
    "At the World XC Champs in a few weeks the Canadians will probably do quite well yet it's highly unlikely that more than one of our XC participants will qualify for the Olympics next year.

    What does that say though? Does it mean the World XC champs is an incredibly weak event of does it mean Olympic standards are too "difficult"."



    1. Define quite well? Team in the top 10? Individuals in top 20? etc. It's also hard to predict performances in cross without knowing what the weather/course looks like. Too many variables

    2. There are 3 Olympians on the current roster (Lalonde, O'Connell and Wodak). O'Connell and Lalonde both have PBs faster than the current standard, and should be entirely their athletic peak. The womens 10,000m standard is definitely difficult which will make it harder for Wodak, but she was ranked 34th in the world in 2018, so she could also qualify based on ranking.

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    head scratcher said 1 week ago

    Quoting: Anonymous
    "At the World XC Champs in a few weeks the Canadians will probably do quite well yet it's highly unlikely that more than one of our XC participants will qualify for the Olympics next year.

    What does that say though? Does it mean the World XC champs is an incredibly weak event of does it mean Olympic standards are too "difficult"."


    Little unsure why this is the argument being made. Someone has already commented on the womens side, so I'll focus on the men.

    The men's team sent to WXC is a young and developing group of athletes, and likely represent the future of Canadian distance running. However, none have run within 15s of the 2016 Olympic Standard, or was ranked in the top 150 in the world last year in their respective event [top ranked was Linkletter at 173, closest to old standards based on PB is Tate at 13:34 (old standard was 13:20)]. So the argument that the new 2020 standards are "too difficult" doesn't really apply here. I have no doubt that some/all will take big chunks off their PBs this season, but your argument just doesn't make sense given that they haven't demonstrated they are world-class (yet).


    To make a comparison - Queen's mens team came 5th at USports CX this year, with a team score of 149 (range 12th place to 46th, which works out to an average placing ~29). This is a good team result (analogous to your "performed quite well") - but only 1 athlete was named an All-Canadian (similar to your "highly unlikely more than one will make the OS"). Is the standard for All-Canadian therefore too difficult, since the team did well? Of course not. They're completely different things.

    Or are you arguing the Canadians will individually do quite well, i.e. top 20 (which history and NACAC performances against a weakened US team suggests is unlikely)?

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