Event Results >>
U of S Sled Dog Open Cross Country
Saskatoon, SK
September 30th, 2017
Event 4 Men 8k Run CC
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Name Year School Finals Points
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Results - Men
1 Pennock, Russell 95 University o 26.02 1
2 Strueby, Adam 94 University o 26.18 2
3 McDonald, Kieran 94 University o 26.32 3
4 Daniel, Stefan 97 University o 26.48 4
5 Grieco, Ryan 96 University o 26.58 5
6 Turmel, Marc 95 University o 27.07 6
7 Heschuk, Daniel 96 University o 27.13 7
8 Eiswerth, Alexander 95 University o 27.17 8
9 Clack, William 94 University o 27.18 9
10 Kiyonaga, Tyler 98 University o 27.19 10
11 Lutz, Eric 98 University o x27.22 11
12 Yarmuch, Evan 96 University o x27.25 12
13 Lawley, Mark 94 University o 27.45 13
14 Berube, Simon 97 University o 27.49 14
15 Johnson, Matthew 97 University o 27.53 15
16 Ord, Greg 98 University o x27.54 16
17 Radowits, Royden 96 University o 28.04 17
18 Stuermer, Riley 99 University o 28.13 18
19 Never Handed in Stic, Bo Unattached 28.14 19
20 Hetterley, Gregory 97 University o 28.23 20
21 Gallagher, Corey 87 Unattached-Manitoba 28.25 21
22 Guidinger, Jonathan 97 University o x28.26 22
23 Desmarais, Mathieu 95 University o 28.27 23
24 Kohlman, Scott 97 MacEwan University 28.31 24
25 Hanson, Luke 99 University o 28.47 25
26 Murray, Liam 99 University o x28.52 26
27 Harrison, Lucas 98 University o x28.53 27
28 Chauvet, Robert 98 University o x28.56 28
29 Boyle, Aaron 99 MacEwan University 29.07 29
30 Bouferguene, Alexandre 98 University o x29.08 30
31 Boyd, Connor 96 University o 29.20 31
32 Michalak, Geoff 93 University o x29.25 32
33 Baraka, Alain 98 University o 29.27 33
34 McCormick, Ian Unattached-S 29.28 34
35 Van Schepdael, Matthew 96 University o x29.30 35
36 MacLellan, Matthew 99 University o x29.31 36
37 Fenske, Cameron 96 University o x29.41 37
38 Erickson, Boyd 95 University o x29.46 38
39 Kipkemboi, Rehno 96 University o x29.52 39
40 Smith, Jacob 99 University o x30.05 40
41 Moore-Payot, Austin 99 University o x30.08 41
42 Caie, Kyle 99 Riversdale A 30.09 42
43 Drover, Conrad 93 Bison Athlet 30.10 43
44 Desrochers, Quinn 98 University o x30.12 44
45 Zanotto, Stefano 92 University o 30.15 45
46 Thompson, Curtis 95 University o x30.19 46
47 McNish, David 99 University o x30.30 47
48 Celis, Juan 99 University o x30.42 48
49 Wood, Michael 98 University o x30.45 49
50 Cox, Ryan 92 Unattached-S 30.47 50
51 McBride, Alexander 98 University o x31.17 51
52 Dong, Kyle 95 MacEwan University 32.09 52
53 Harrison, Graeme 93 Unattached-S 32.29 53
Team Scores
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Rank Team Total 1 2 3 4 5 *6 *7 *8 *9
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Results - Men
1 University of Calgary 29 1 4 5 9 10 11 12 16 22
Total Time: 2:13.45
Average: 26.69
2 University of Regina Coug 51 2 6 8 15 20 51
Total Time: 2:16.18
Average: 27.24
3 University of Alberta 76 3 13 17 18 25 28 30 36 37
Total Time: 2:18.41
Average: 27.69
4 University of Manitoba 108 7 14 23 31 33 35 39 40 44
Total Time: 2:21.36
Average: 28.28
Event 3 Women 8k Run CC
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Name Year School Finals Points
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Results - Women
1 Hufsmith, Courtney 98 University o 30.54 1
2 Thiel, Danielle 92 runlAB 31.50 2
3 Laxdal, Elecktra 92 runlAB 32.49 3
4 Patel, Anushree 97 University o 32.51 4
5 Leggatt, Hannah 96 MacEwan University 32.57 5
6 Sass, Rebekah 95 University o 33.03 6
7 Anderson, Kate 96 University o 33.26 7
8 Skoreyko, Roxanne 79 MacEwan University 33.27 8
9 Martynuik-Pombert, Nicol 98 University o 33.38 9
10 Chehowy, Kathryn 98 University o 33.41 10
11 Quibell, Shayna 96 University o 33.51 11
12 Dodds, Tianna 97 University o 33.54 12
13 Kitt, Nicole 95 University o 33.59 13
14 Tepavac, Jovana 99 University o 34.03 14
15 Hogman, Shaniah 99 University o 34.05 15
16 York, Mikaela 94 University o x34.18 16
17 Elliott, Britanny 91 University o 34.22 17
18 Large, Ember 95 University o 34.30 18
19 Gagne, Chanelle 95 MacEwan University 34.37 19
20 Severtson, Amy 97 University o 34.53 20
21 Simpson, Emily 98 University o x34.56 21
22 Edwards, Darbi 98 University o 35.01 22
23 Wagner, Emily 97 University o x35.06 23
24 Ackerman, Abby 99 MacEwan University 35.08 24
25 Zajac, Janine 96 University o 35.09 25
26 Forman, Sarah 98 University o x35.20 26
27 Basterash, Hayley 99 University o x35.26 27
28 Doyon, Rachelle 97 University o x35.30 28
29 Phillips, Gillian 89 University o 35.31 29
30 Hillary, Mehlhorn 95 University o 35.35 30
31 Zarowny, Justine 98 University o 35.44 31
32 Ulrich, Anna 99 University o x35.46 32
33 Gustin, Bella 97 University o x36.05 33
34 Tramley, Erin 96 University o 36.06 34
35 Balezantis, Lindsay 99 University o 36.07 35
36 Mann, Mikala 98 University o 36.08 36
37 Browne, Madeleine 98 University o x36.09 37
38 Haczkewicz, Kelsey 99 University o 36.21 38
39 Bidulka, Natalia 99 University o 36.25 39
40 Chadwick, Olivia 81 University o x36.26 40
41 Bhargava, Sehjal 96 University o x36.34 41
42 Kryschuk, Lauren 98 University o x36.40 42
43 Farmer, Katie 96 University o x36.42 43
44 Leblanc, Caitlin 97 University o x36.50 44
45 Andres, Renee 99 University o x36.56 45
46 Hnatyshyn, Ella 97 University o x37.11 46
47 Millns, Carlynne 95 University o 37.20 47
48 Antaya, Gabriella 98 University o x37.29 48
49 John, Rebecca 98 University o x37.35 49
50 Millns, Sarah 98 University o x37.38 50
51 Passler Bates, Danika 97 University o x37.45 51
52 Odaisky, Nicola 97 University o x37.46 52
53 Cross Child, Celeste 79 Unattached-S 37.49 53
54 Hik, Felicity 99 University o x38.26 54
55 Rheaume, Cassidy 99 University o x38.37 55
56 Flaman, Alexandria 98 University o x38.39 56
57 Sabourin, Maissa 96 MacEwan University 38.49 57
58 Onstad, Courtney 95 University o x38.57 58
59 Leffers, Jocelyn 99 MacEwan University x39.16 59
60 Nielsen, Ellyssa 98 University o x39.21 60
61 Struthers, Nicole 90 University o x39.29 61
62 Wilson, Regan 99 University o x40.34 62
Event 2 Mixed 4k Run CC
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Name Year School Finals Points
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Results - Mixed
1 Makaby, Abraham M Riversdale A 16.15 1
1 Lewans, Alexis W04 Riversdale A 18.04 1
2 Acoose, Sebastian M03 Excel Athletika 18.47 2
2 Wapass, Dezaray W00 Se Se Wa Hum 19.14 2
Event 1 Mixed 2000 Meter Run CC
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Name Year School Finals Points
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Results - Mixed
1 Naughton, Killian M06 Excel Athletika 8.08 1
1 Coates, Athena W06 Excel Athletika 9.05 1
2 Bristol, Henry M06 Regina Multi 8.17 2
2 Rottiers, Claire W07 Excel Athletika 9.34 2
3 Dodge, Preston M07 Riversdale A 9.07 3
3 Coates, Petra W07 Excel Athletika 10.36 3
4 Grilz, Jonathan M05 Aberdeen 9.27 4
5 Bein, Goloom M07 Riversdale A 9.33 5
6 Said, Ali M10 Riversdale A 10.32 6
7 Madsen, Walter M06 Aberdeen 10.55 7
8 Doige, Jackson M07 Aberdeen 13.12 8 User Comments
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Anonymous
Posts: 42735Anonymous said 6 months ago
Heard many reports from the runners that the course was closer to 8.5k via their gps watches. The times seem to confirm some of this. Not the fastest of days it appears because of this.
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Posts: 42735Anonymous said 6 months ago
Quoting: Anonymous
"Heard many reports from the runners that the course was closer to 8.5k via their gps watches. The times seem to confirm some of this. Not the fastest of days it appears because of this."
Just ran this course today and I completely agree, was definitely 400m or so past 8km. No way I'm posting faster times at Griak then I am at U of S open. Quote comment -
Anonymous
Posts: 42735Anonymous said 6 months ago
As everyone should know GPS is not 100% accurate. I talked to the U of S coaches and they said they wheeled out the course and it was slightly long (and slightly long means around 30m long, not the 400m as mentioned).
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Posts: 42735Anonymous said 6 months ago
GPS can be inaccurate when there are lots of turns or poor sightlines to satellite (ie. trees, tall buildings). These typically result in underestimations due to missing data or undersampling.
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Although I'm not familiar with the UofS course, I would suspect that 400m long might be reasonable; Thiel is a consistent 36:xx 10k runner, and I find it hard to believe she could barely squeak under 4 min k's for an 8k race in which she was not the winner. That would barely qualify as a tempo, assuming she is in anywhere near that shape. -
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Posts: 42735Huh? said 6 months ago
Quoting: Anonymous
"Although I'm not familiar with the UofS course, I would suspect that 400m long might be reasonable; Thiel is a consistent 36:xx 10k runner, and I find it hard to believe she could barely squeak under 4 min k's for an 8k race in which she was not the winner. That would barely qualify as a tempo, assuming she is in anywhere near that shape."
When was the last time she ran 36:xx for 10k? Nice person but it's been a while since she has run anything close to that and to use her as a reference point to figure out if a course is a long or by how much is silly. Quote comment -
Anonymous
Posts: 42735Anonymous said 6 months ago
Quoting: Huh?
"When was the last time she ran 36:xx for 10k? Nice person but it's been a while since she has run anything close to that and to use her as a reference point to figure out if a course is a long or by how much is silly."
She ran 16:35 for 5000m back in 2016
http://athletics.ca/wp-content/themes/default-bs3/popups/athlete-rankings.php?id=9264384&year=2016 Quote comment -
Anonymous
Posts: 42735Huh? said 6 months ago
Quoting: Anonymous
"She ran 16:35 for 5000m back in 2016
http://athletics.ca/wp-content/themes/default-bs3/popups/athlete-rankings.php?id=9264384&year=2016"
So any recent 10k results? Anything from 2017? How about xc in 2016? Quote comment -
Anonymous
Posts: 42735Anonymous said 6 months ago
Just looks at everyone's times, Pennock and Strueby's times were below average for them, on a somewhat simple course. There is no way everyone was running noticeably slower in the same race when weather was almost perfect. Yes GPS watches can be inaccurate but when many people were getting the same distance saying it's long that's gotta count for something then.
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Also using a wheel on a course like UofS, it's easy for the wheel to not be as accurate with a bunch of small dips throughout the whole course
The Course changed a lot this year, previous years in was already about 200m long, which most times people didn't really care, however they cut only about 40-50m on a corner and then extended a straight away about 60-70m. -
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Posts: 42735math said 6 months ago
if you run the +/- on runners from athletes at sask last year, everyone on average got slower, indicating a longer course.
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Anonymous
Posts: 42735Anonymous said 6 months ago
Can we please get more people that were not even at the race, let alone running it, speculate on the length of the course. Ridiculous to try to use any athletes times to speculate on length.
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Thiel ran a hard race on a good course, props to Hufsmith on a great effort. The boys all went out and sent in on a warm, windy day on the praries. Don't doubt the west in the coming weeks. -
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Posts: 42735Logic said 6 months ago
Quoting: Anonymous
"Just looks at everyone's times, Pennock and Strueby's times were below average for them, on a somewhat simple course. There is no way everyone was running noticeably slower in the same race when weather was almost perfect. Yes GPS watches can be inaccurate but when many people were getting the same distance saying it's long that's gotta count for something then.
Also using a wheel on a course like UofS, it's easy for the wheel to not be as accurate with a bunch of small dips throughout the whole course
The Course changed a lot this year, previous years in was already about 200m long, which most times people didn't really care, however they cut only about 40-50m on a corner and then extended a straight away about 60-70m."
Strueby ran just under 25 min solo for 8km a few weeks back at Cougar Trot (would assume he's a little faster than this over 8 km with some competition). Pennock beat him by a decent amount from the looks of it. Assuming Pennock is the strongest runner in the field here, and no one else that should be near the front had an off day, I'd say this course was most certainly long. The Sask course, from my own experience, has an extreme amount of turns, not an easy course. Lots of turns is roughly equivalent to a course with more hills.
Also this is cross-country. Every course is different. Placement matters more than times. Calgary comfortably took the title, even with their 4 and 5 having an off day from the looks of it (unless that's where they are for fitness). We all know every year lots of Ontario and BC teams run on very straight, flat courses, and Trackie gets hyped up to the moon by kids dropping 23-low 24 min 8km. Not saying the prairie teams are stronger, but they did have 2 All-Canadians last year. Give them some respect where it's due. Quote comment -
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Posts: 42735Cam west alumni said 6 months ago
That course has been long for 15 years.
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Figure it out boys. Take about 10% off there big shoots. -
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Posts: 42735Saskatuna said 6 months ago
Boyz! You didnt account for the amount of grease on the course. Have you seen how dirty Strueberries beard is? It was sloppy out there. People nearly slipping and landing on their heads.
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Posts: 42735Stefan0 Z said 6 months ago
Happy to pull through for the team this year, but some serious home course witchery got the best of the squad.
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Don't count us (ME) out for AUS CHAMPS
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Posts: 42735maybe I'm old but.. said 6 months ago
Quoting: Meizner
"It's XC guys...."
Right? People are looking at GPS in an XC race?
I don't even know why they publish times this way. They could just run a rank order, or show the distance behind the lead as +0:01, +0:05 etc. You see this in cycling and skiing where the absolute time is not relevant (courses vary) but the placement and gaps are.
Maybe the course ran long. Who cares, as long as it's within +/- 500m or so? I will also say it has a crazy amount of turning, including some challenging placements relative to hills, so yes it is a deceptively challenging course. Quote comment -
Anonymous
Posts: 42735maybe I'm old but.. said 6 months ago
Also, publishing all of the team names as "university of" is borderline useless.
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Posts: 42735Anonymous said 6 months ago
Quoting: Huh?
"When was the last time she ran 36:xx for 10k? Nice person but it's been a while since she has run anything close to that and to use her as a reference point to figure out if a course is a long or by how much is silly."
I chose Thiel because she is a very consistent performer who doesn't sandbag races. She's run in the 36:xx region many times on the roads/track in 2015, 2016. I'd be fairly confident that even if she's not precisely in that shape currently that she's most likely not in 32 minute 8k shape. That's a ~41 minute 10k.
Recency of a performance is not helpful for comparison purposes unless you have a good idea that the effort involved in both was similar. I take consistency over recency. Quote comment -
Anonymous
Posts: 42735Huh? said 6 months ago
Quoting: Anonymous
"I chose Thiel because she is a very consistent performer who doesn't sandbag races. She's run in the 36:xx region many times on the roads/track in 2015, 2016. I'd be fairly confident that even if she's not precisely in that shape currently that she's most likely not in 32 minute 8k shape. That's a ~41 minute 10k.
Recency of a performance is not helpful for comparison purposes unless you have a good idea that the effort involved in both was similar. I take consistency over recency."
You still haven't provided any proof that she is capable of running 36:xx. The link you sent us to showed that she ran a solid 5000m time on the track in the summer of 2016 which doesn't necessarily make her a 36:xx 10k runner. But I'll help you out with a recent 10k result: https://runsignup.com/race/results/?raceId=41210#resultSetId-51778. She finished in 38th in case you were looking to find her.
If you can dig up a recent 10k result showing she has run 36:xx, then your "consistency vs recency" argument might actually mean something but as it stands right now, you are simply making things up. Quote comment -
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Posts: 125Cummings said 6 months ago
Quoting: Meizner
"It's XC guys...."
My thoughts exactly. Clearly not concerned about the right things if you are arguing times on an XC course; particularly a Canadian XC course, which generally aren't glorified road races like many NCAA XC courses (see ND for example). Quote comment -
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Posts: 125Cummings said 6 months ago
Quoting: Cam west alumni
"That course has been long for 15 years.
Figure it out boys. Take about 10% off there big shoots."
AND, Letterkenny references are always welcome on the Trackie boards. Quote comment -
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Posts: 74Mo Farfetch'd said 6 months ago
Quoting: maybe I'm old but..
"Also, publishing all of the team names as "university of" is borderline useless."
Hey who knows....
maybe University Ottawa has finally climbed back into relevancy in CIS/USports/whatever-you-wanna-call-it Cross-Country
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Posts: 15Speedyredbull said 6 months ago
From year to year I love to read this amusing cross country running topic and conversation around apples and oranges, GPS nonsense, and sour grapes. People get out their GPS when they're annoyed that their competitors post PB times over the "same distance" during the cross country season. Rarely (if ever?) do I see someone post that they looked at their GPS and their cross country race course was 400m short. I love cross country running for this reason (among many other reasons) - it's about racing, and an intrinsic ability to run the best pace for the race, given the course and the conditions.
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Posts: 42735Andrew Jones said 6 months ago
The beauty of XC is the simplicity of this team sport. You absolutely do not require any kind of timing method, or method of determining distance. These are irrelevant.
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You administer the thing decidedly "low-tech", with The only necessities in XC administration being 1) that the course is clearly marked, 2) that you collect the popsicle sticks with the runners' placings on them 3) you are accurate when you total each team's placements.
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